Boston Doctor Offers Sex Change Treatment to Kids

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Ratzilla wrote:

KS1 wrote:: By the way, I did want to clear something Ratzilla posted earlier.

I thought long and hard about going to the picnic Saturday...and changed my mind several times.

At no time did I think anyone would be mean to us....I just did not think it was a good idea to "out" my child....this is just something not everyone is going to "get" no matter how much I want that.

I am sure we would have met some great people....and you in turn would have as well....

Does this mean your child is only transgender behind closed doors at home?

I think they meant that the child is TG always, just not known as being so. Meaning, the child's gender is portrayed commonly in public, while the sex of the body of the child is known privately. Unless I'm understanding it wrong

And Nitro... your stance of penis/vagina = boy/girl needs some reworking... while traditionally yes, that does apply, there are exceptions. In TG cases it is unnecessary hardware, or a lack of necessary hardware... in the case of a girl being born with a penis, how would it truly be any different than a human baby born with a vestigial tail? Does the tail immediately make them more of a monkey and any less of a human?

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But if the child is publically TG, wouldn't the sex be known already? Kids can't be around each other for long without one of them finding out. And no doubt the school staff must know.

An "assumed" girl born with a penis still has a use for it. Nobody would use a stubby tail. And that brings up a good point. If TG is really about being born in the wrong body, why aren't all TG's confident to remove those penises when they go trans? I was conversing with one trans person who has changed all else, yet keeps the penis because they still like women. If they are really transgender, why wouldn't they have it removed and date lesbians?

This is one of the things that makes transgender difficult to believe as our parents of TG kids promote it. The wide range of it. Take male TG for example. I would assume anyone thinking they are really a girl wouldn't want boys parts left intact.

I realize cost of surgery comes into play, but I recall a show about TG several years ago where this question was raised. Some stated the financial. Some said they were actually gay transexuals and wanted the male parts. Some said they hadn't yet made the decision and one said he couldn't bring himself to have it removed. How can they say these things yet still claim to really be a female?

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Quote :: Anything Ken Zucker has to say is mostly ignored by the trans community and its allies because of the way he ran the Clarke Clinic in Toronto. He destroyed many lives through his way of accepting patients, young and old and he's not well respected in Canada or US. He also fundraised for NARTH, the National Association for Research of Therapy of
Homosexuality. If you believed homosexuality is a learned lifestyle then there's not much more I can say. The guy's a quack through and through.

I expect anything Zucker says is ignored by the TG community since he doesn't say what they want to hear. One of my sisters calls lots of doctors quacks. Usually the ones who tell her that she doesn't have an exotic illness she saw on some lame talk show.

If you could easily dismiss what I said about Zucker then you don't know anything about him. The reason why he's so well "hated" is because of the way he abused his position of power. One thing about having an opinion which I do listen to, it's another when it's inflicted on the innocence. He blames it all on the parents, the transsexed boy child needs to get into sports, stay away from the mother and spends his days closely with dad, vice versa for the girl child. He won't treat homosexuals, you can't be transsexed if you're gay because he won't turn a person into a gay trans person. I hope I won't have to explain that sexual orientation is separate from gender identity.

Of course you didn't mean to say I turned my child trans because I saw it on some lame talk show. You wouldn't be that twisted and mean, would you?

Quote :: Does this mean your child is only transgender behind closed doors at home?

She is who she is and we can't and won't hide this reality. We just feel that we don't need to expose our children to more ridicule and meanness, not to mention the whispering behind their backs.

As nice as this group is, some mean things have been said and I don't need to share that with her although we have grown some thick skin just to survive. But of course, we chose to be that way right so we should get used to it?

nitromaxx98 wrote:: The mind learns what it's taught early in life. A chineese baby brought to America will speak fluent English if raised to do so. A jewish or Catholic child wil do the same. It's when you allow outsiders to determine your family structure that the demise begins.

Oustiders dont determine my family structure whatsoever.

Thanks DHM and amom for cleaing up what I meant by not "outing" my child.
As I have said, right now only the people who NEED to know know....it is not anyone elses business what my daughter's medical condition is...and no I am not going to expose her to "whispers behind her back".....I can take that...but I am not going to put her in that position....she has a medical condition that is private.... and we are dealing WITH it with the help of medical professionals. No other parent with a child who has a medical condition is expected to go up to people reveal their children's medical history..and I wont either.

And Ratzilla, your post about me calling people names? I dont think I have ever done that.
I have used the words "closeminded" yes....and I am not going to apologize for that...anymore than I could expect you to apologize for comparing a medically recognized diagnosis with cults and obsessive disorders or saying parents of transkids are PROMOTING it...we are not promoting GID for GOD's sake...being there for our children..supporting them...educating others...yes....

You know my daughter's pediatrician told me a few weeks ago, "Look there are so many things we dont know yet about and needs more research...the big thing to me..is that your child is happy....and that's what matters."

You know my daughter's pediatrician told me a few weeks ago, "Look there are so many things we dont know yet about and needs more research...the big thing to me..is that your child is happy....and that's what matters.

And this is all that matters is that she is happy. And I know she is because I have met her on numerous occasions

Ratzilla wrote:: I realize cost of surgery comes into play, but I recall a show about TG several years ago where this question was raised. Some stated the financial. Some said they were actually gay transexuals and wanted the male parts. Some said they hadn't yet made the decision and one said he couldn't bring himself to have it removed. How can they say these things yet still claim to really be a female?

Because they are transgendered....boy body...female identity....its their choice if they want to keep body parts....some choose to, others do not...its beside the point

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amom wrote:: Of course you didn't mean to say I turned my child trans because I saw it on some lame talk show. You wouldn't be that twisted and mean, would you?

I was talking about my sisters hypochondria. If you'd quit being so defensive and misinterpreting things you might not think I was so mean. I only get a short lunch break. I'll address things more fully later.

It goes both ways... I think you too have sounded defensive and misintpreted
some posts as well..

But.. it does sound like your saying your sister's hypochondria is comparable to GID. As if the parents of kids with GID are just exaggerating, jumping to conclusions instead of dealing with a real diagnosis...a diagnosis that was made often times....YEARS after the symptoms appeared. If that is not what you meant please clarify.

And we dont ignore what Zucker says because he doesn't say what we want to hear. No parent wants to hear that their child has GID..how to treat GID is what is at issue.

Zucker is in the minority of gender specialists who think GID can be "cured" through cruel conversion therapy....much like pyschologists used to think homosexuality could be "cured"
Zucker's practices are truly awful...and NOT successful...

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You didn't read what I wrote either. Just what you wanted to see. Zucker was called a quack. I said my sister called any doctor who didn't give her the answers she wants to hear a quack.

AND...what was your point...that we think Zucker is a quack because he doesnt tell us what you say we want to hear?

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KS1 wrote:: AND...what was your point...that we think Zucker is a quack because he doesnt tell us what you say we want to hear?

To a degree. He has a tough approach more like curing a drug addict and doesn't go along with the idea that transgenders are just born to be one, so I think it's pretty obvious he doesn't say what you want to hear. But I understand parents not wanting their kids to be looked at as a mental case.

KS1 wrote:: As I have said, right now only the people who NEED to know know....it is not anyone elses business what my daughter's medical condition is...and no I am not going to expose her to "whispers behind her back".....I can take that...but I am not going to put her in that position....she has a medical condition that is private.... and we are dealing WITH it with the help of medical professionals. No other parent with a child who has a medical condition is expected to go up to people reveal their children's medical history..and I wont either.

First you say you didn't think anyone at the picnic would be mean to your kid, now you talk as if we wanted them to come be our sideshow. I wouldn't expect you to tell everyone your kids entire medical history. But if you expect them to adjust to society and vice verse, you best not try to hide them. Sooner or later someone will know and talk. Do you plan to say "Oh I forgot to tell you that my daughter that your son likes so well has a penis?" Our point in inviting you to the picnic was to try to make new friends for your child, not to glare like they were a circus freak. Too bad you're so paranoid about it because I really think it would have helped us to understand each other. I had no intent on even discussing TG at the picnic and there was no rule saying you had to put his or her gender up for display or approval.

KS1 wrote:: And Ratzilla, your post about me calling people names? I dont think I have ever done that.
I have used the words "closeminded" yes....and I am not going to apologize for that...anymore than I could expect you to apologize for comparing a medically recognized diagnosis with cults and obsessive disorders or saying parents of transkids are PROMOTING it...we are not promoting GID for GOD's sake...being there for our children..supporting them...educating others...yes....

And your statement here from page six was really a sweet compliment.

KS1 wrote:: It funny to me, Ratizilla and Nitromax that you are just plain ignoring scientific evidence....at this point if your no longer ignorant on the subject....well then I am starting to doubt your intelligence....sorry but its true...

Thanks. I feel all warm and fuzzy now. LOL

KS1 wrote:: You know my daughter's pediatrician told me a few weeks ago, "Look there are so many things we dont know yet about and needs more research...the big thing to me..is that your child is happy....and that's what matters."

Isn't that pretty much what I've said too? Yes, I know. I didn't give it a good sugar coating. I've never been a fan of "feel good" psychology. I don't agree with everything Zucker says, but I have seen more than one transgender positive website now that said they still are uncertain of the causes. I myself feel it is more complex than just being born that way. As I stated before, I don't doubt that transgenders really think they were intended to be the opposite gender. But I do think it is based on what they feel rather than nature making a mistake.