Planned Parenthood criminal activity.

mike.... It's about medication, it's about that medication being for something that a young girl is not supposed to do. You keep saying it's the law that they can obtain them. But it is also the law that says any sexual activity with a person under 16 is considered harmful, and is illegal. This is therefore about a medication given without parental consent to a child who cannot legally practice what that medication is given to them for. And this is about a government that says they cannot legally have sex, but will not only give them the pill, but will hide the fact they got it from their parents.

Bighead wrote:

Ratzilla- do you reckon it should be illegal to hand out paper cups to minors? I mean... they might put beer in those cups.

Bighead, I've learned from your postings over time that you don't think parents have the right to control anything their kids do. Every time a discussion comes up about kids doing things their parents don't approve of you take the kids side even when it's potentially harmful to the kid. But it is the parents responsibility to raise their kid, not the governments. You and Hillary can take your village somewhere else.

You always go off about the police state, yet parents who ignore their kids actions contributes to the police state. You complain constantly about the police, yet you don't want parents to have a say in how their kids are raised. You want the government to make the rules for kids, and seem to think total disobedience is how a kid should act when it comes to their parents. Unless a parent is deemed an unfit parent they should always have the most say.

slickjay12 wrote:

Just because a girl is given birth control does not when she is going to rush out and spread her legs for the first person she sees. I realize that hormones run rampant but I believe that through proper child rearing the urges can be managed.

A girl only needs to spread her legs for one guy to be causing herself potential harm. If a 13 year old goes to obtain birth control pills on the quiet from Planned Parenthood it is either because she is, has been, or plans to have sex and does not want her parents involved. I agree that maybe that could have been avoided with better child raising skills, but it's sure not the time to say the parents need to be ousted from the process.

Just the simple fact that a minor child can go somewhere and obtain help from the government to do things their parents don't approve of is a very destructive thing in the child parent relationship. It's telling kids their parents opinions don't count. And the fact that they are being given birth control by the same government that says it's illegal for them to have sex is telling them that they don't have to listen to anyone.

In closing it is my thought that if parents feel their child is out of control and needs to be on the pill, it should be allowed. But I think it's the parents place to decide that, not the governments. And it sure as hell should not be the decision of the same government that says they aren't supposed to have sex to need the pill for. It's kind of like if the government were to say it's illegal for them to drive at ten years old but give them driving lessons just in case they want to try.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

No excuse for lack of involvement in your childs life. However, what they do get away with or think they do is up to the individual parent. What is missing these days, in large, is a sense of responsibility.

Hit the nail on the head, too many parents don't take responsibilty for huge chunks of their kids lives. Whether it be the time they don't spend with them and let the Video Games, TV, Computers etc rules their kids lives. That kind of of crap isn't meant to be a babysitter but sadly is used exactly for that purpose. Too many parents are simply too lazy to say no to their kids and are driven by their offspring desires to give their kids everything they ask for just to keep them seemingly happy.

All you have to do is drive through the High School parking lots, when I went to school if you had a car it was a $500 bomber. Now most of the kids are driving to school in cars that only a couple of years old. My mother drove me to school everyday until I graduated, and it didn't bother me a bit. I had a job working at the old A&W since I was a Freshman that I put my entire paycheck in a savings account that my Dad matched dollar for dollar. When I graduated, I bought a very used but dependable car that got me where I needed to go just fine and still had plenty of money still in the Bank.

Kids need to learn that shit isn't given to them for free, make them work for it as well as taking responsibilty along with their parents for their own lives.

Yes slider, I agree with that. One problem I've seen is where one parent wanted the kid to be responsible. They wanted to keep control of things but the other parent countered everything by giving privileges the child was too young to be having while allowing the child to ignore chores or rules that both they, and the other parent gave them. It is not fair for that parent who really tried to have Planned Parenthood shutting them out of the picture. I have no problem with Planned Parenthood being available, but I think they should be required to notify the parents if their child under legal age asks for birth control.

I agree. If both parents are in the household then they both should have to be informed and give consent. Too often parents worry too much about being friends. I am probably guilty of a little of that myself, having only sons.

My dad tried to be a buddy more than he tried to discipline me. I wish like hell it'd been the other way around. And I can't see anything more destructive to the proper parent child relationship than a government funded agency that allows them to keep such a serious matter secret from the parents. It tells kids they need not respect mom and dad at all.

The medication is not given as a sexual act. Taking a medication does not initiate sex. Taking a medication has nothing to do with sex. You are connecting two things that are not connected. Medication is not sex. Maybe you have been doing it wrong, giving you warped ideas on what a sexual act actually entails.

The medication is to prevent 1 of 2 legal conditions....pregnant, and not pregnant. The said medication does not enable sexual acts. Medication is not a prerequisite of sexual activity.

PimpDaddyslider wrote:

make them work for it .

Don't dip the wick, unless you can pay for the trick.

mikecc wrote:

The medication is not given as a sexual act. Taking a medication does not initiate sex. Taking a medication has nothing to do with sex. You are connecting two things that are not connected. Medication is not sex. Maybe you have been doing it wrong, giving you warped ideas on what a sexual act actually entails.

The medication is to prevent 1 of 2 legal conditions....pregnant, and not pregnant. The said medication does not enable sexual acts. Medication is not a prerequisite of sexual activity.

mike, the sun is shining today. Please pull your head out and let a few rays fall on it. The one and only reason underage girls go to Planned Parenthood for the pill is because they want to get fucked. They want that "medication" so they can fuck without getting pregnant. They don't go to get that pill to cure a hangnail, they get it so they can fuck. You got that now?

mikecc wrote:

The medication is not given as a sexual act. Taking a medication does not initiate sex. Taking a medication has nothing to do with sex.

Viagra?

nitromaxx98 wrote:

mikecc wrote:

The medication is not given as a sexual act. Taking a medication does not initiate sex. Taking a medication has nothing to do with sex.

Viagra?

Oh, but that was initially a blood pressure med until guys reported this one peculiar side effect.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

mikecc wrote:

The medication is not given as a sexual act. Taking a medication does not initiate sex. Taking a medication has nothing to do with sex.

Viagra?

Once again apples and oranges comparing the medication to treat a specific medical condition/disease to the emotional or hormonal desire to have sex.

Viagra the medication does not iniate the act or directly cause the act of sexual intercourse, it just facilitates the taker to engage in the activity of his own volition since he has a medical condition that prohibits his body from performing the act physically by itself.

Taking a birth control pill does not directly cause a person to have sex, it merely protects the taker from becoming pregnant. It is the chemical stimulation within the brain and body that causes one to engage in sexual activity. And yes pregnancy and the prevention of pregnancy is of the nature of treating or preventing the occurance of a known medical condition.

A fucking pre-schooler can figure that out without a medical degree or a bible in their hands.

Yet you all continue to engage in this intellectual pissing match over the morality or immorality of someone else's kids behaviour.

Whether it is right or wrong, is not for any of us to decide. Planned Parenthood provides a LEGAL SERVICE to the community and operates under very strict State and Federal guidelines. If you do not like what they do or how they do their business you have only one recourse. Get off of your asses and lobby your representatives in the government and see if they can change the laws on the books to your strict and narrow beliefs (aka Organized Religion, Pro-Life Supporters ... etc) and see how well that goes for you. They haven't had much luck trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade and other decisions that have taken place over the years to bring Planned Parenthood into the community service organization that it is today.

Well damn slider, of course if the government does it then it must be right. I'll keep reminding you of your opinion on that down the road.

My comments have nothing to do with religion or right to lifers or any other cult. My comments are simple facts. The right of a parent to know what their underage child does has been taken away by the government, and Planned Parenthood knows damn well that these underage girls cannot legally have sex, yet they supply them with a pill to be used to prevent pregnancy that would be caused by that illegal activity.

You guys can dance around the facts all you want, but this is government condoning an activity that the same government has down on the books as harmful and illegal with no input from the parents at all. And in supporting this activity you are as much as saying the government has more right to decide the upbringing of a child than her own parents. If none of you see how wrong all that is there's no point in discussing it further.

Then get off of your fucking ass and get your Government to change that law that you are so god damned fired up about allows this travesty to happen to parents that have no control over their children that just want to go out there and do nothing but fuck like bunnies and then we can have the pleasure of getting you to shut the fuck up about it!

Why slider? You rant on like a whiney little bitch on a regular basis.

Then why not make the pill mandatory for all girls 10 to 16 years old?

Only with fucking idiots that just won't let something that is obviously way over their head let their fucking panties get all in a bunch over an issue that they just can't fit inside their little minds that can't be rationalized within the framework of their narrow minded and skewed point of view. One in which can never be changed because they can't admit they are wrong or don't have a legitimate exit plan to get themselves out of the corner they have hopelessly painted themselves into because they won't open their eyes wide enough to see the stupidity of their pointless and extremely narrow focus of their argument.

So take that G String that has obiviously gotten your balls all tangled up in and remove the knot in those panties. That knot appears to be cuttin' off your oxygen supply to your two little brains in your nutsack. And it is apparent that it is about to fall off due to that G String being wound around it so tight.

Was that you or him that is narrow minded and unable to comprehend another mans argument.

slider wrote:

Only with fucking idiots that just won't let something that is obviously way over their head let their fucking panties get all in a bunch over an issue that they just can't fit inside their little minds that can't be rationalized within the framework of their narrow minded and skewed point of view. One in which can never be changed because they can't admit they are wrong or don't have a legitimate exit plan to get themselves out of the corner they have hopelessly painted themselves into because they won't open their eyes wide enough to see the stupidity of their pointless and extremely narrow focus of their argument.

Whoa there. You are a little slow sometimes but there's no need to talk that badly about yourself.

It is not only Planned Parenthood that provides these services. Doctors offices, hospitals, and OBGYN all provide the same services. So throwing Planned Parenthood into the mix bias' the whole argument. Is it planned parenthood that is the culprit? Nay I say!

The girls go to medical providers of their own free will (Unless people like lisav drag them there (j/k)) The medical providers do not activly persue the young girls. They do not force pills down their throats.

There are other types of contraceptives available to them. If they were to be issued to young girls, instead of a perscription (sp? I don't remember Ratz, and I don't want to scroll up.) would this take care of the arguement? Contraceptives can be purchased w/o adult consent at numerous retail locations around Hays. Some are purchased w/o ANY Goverment regulation. i.e. condoms down at the corner gas station.

None of this has anything to do with sex. I think you (Ratzilla) must be some kind of pervert talking about little girls the way you do. Mayhap that some Phsycriatic theropy should be in order. Something in your childhood must have scarred you deeply. Possibly dating back to the womb.

So now it's just going to be a personal trash fest. It's ok. I know I'm right and so do you.

The basic points

1.. Underage girls are getting a pill to prevent pregnancy when the laws says they aren't old enough to be having sex.

2.. The fact these girls are sexually active is being hidden from the parents by their own government.

3.. These same girls couldn't even get an aspirin in school without parental consent.

4.. slider and mike have resorted to tantrums.

If they would practice more oral sex there wouldn't be a need for the pill.

Ratzilla wrote:

The basic points

1.. Underage girls are getting a pill to prevent pregnancy when the laws says they aren't old enough to be having sex.

The law allows underage girls to obtain said medication. The same girl can obtain other, non-medicinal birth control methods. Some can be obtained in total secrecy in places such as down at the corner gas station. The law allows the girls are not old enough to have sex. Two seperate laws for two seperate issues.

Ratzilla wrote:

2.. The fact these girls are sexually active is being hidden from the parents by their own government.

The Government has no knowledge of any sexual activity unless there is physical evidence of it and it is reported to the proper authorities, and action is taken, within the law, and the Government does apprise the parents of the situation. When the girls go to a medical provider to obtain birth control, there is no governmental reporting on individual people. Whatever medical provider provider contraceptive protection do, by law, protect the confidentiality of the medical files. Without a court order nobody can access them w/o permission.

Ratzilla wrote:

3.. These same girls couldn't even get an aspirin in school without parental consent.

I am sure these same girls cannot obtain birth control pills at the school nurses office, but I bet they can obtain condoms.

Ratzilla wrote:

4.. slider and mike have resorted to tantrums.

Just don't forget to breathe as you are hunched over your keyboard of death.

fescue wrote:

If they would practice more oral sex there wouldn't be a need for the pill.

Oral sex can expose you to some STDs, including chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes and syphilis. Plenty of pills involved there. Wonder if they can be obtained w/o parental consent?

Perhaps we can begin to ban books out of libraries so they wont comit sexaul acts between children.

Like they do in your State Capital.

Did you ever think that girls on the pill are less likely to worry about a condom and therefore risk more exposure to those STD'S?

And come on mike. Just the fact a girl is asking for contraception is proof that she either is, or plans to start having sex.

Here's the scoop mike. I know a couple of cases where the parents desperately want their daughters to quit sneaking around behind their backs. In one case since Planned Parenthood says she doesn't have to tell mom and dad the girl now feels she rules her own life and can go as she pleases and even expects to be able to stay in her boyfriends house.

Let me ask you mike. If your underage daughter went and got the pill, told you she didn't have to listen to you anymore and planned on spending the night in her boyfriends bed and told you to fuck off, would you be happy?

It does not matter, the State has empowered the child over the parent. It is called "society", and "society" has rules. Rules to be followed. Those parents who choose to raise a child outside of these rules are subject to certain actions prescribed by law. The child has supreme power in the family situation. Go talk to the Judges, attys and child services people, talk to them about how they justify the 40 hours of work that the State mandates that they do. It is by the assimilation of the family into the system for 2 reasons. 1- To provide jobs for those in the industry, and 2- to generate income for the state by using the child to put the parent into servitude to the state.

Girls using contraception most likely do it as an after thought. It is the action of the individual that instigates the use of contraception, not the other way around.

Contraception of many different types can be obtained at many different places. Some contraceptive methods require nothing at all, for instance the male withdrawing prior to ejaculation, or the girl jumping vigorously up and down to prevent pregnancy. All done w/o parental consent.

Ratzilla wrote:

Let me ask you mike. If your underage daughter went and got the pill, told you she didn't have to listen to you anymore and planned on spending the night in her boyfriends bed and told you to fuck off, would you be happy?

Id put my foot in her ass for disobeying me and for flipping me lip. Then the State would step in, and I would be indentured for years. The State then has parental control of your child, and the child will run free while you pay the expenses, and allowed contact only as the judges and attys and child welfare case workers deem to be in the best interests of income generation and job security.

mikecc wrote:

or the girl jumping vigorously up and down to prevent pregnancy.

Didn't they do this one on Myth-Busters recently?

Here is a Colorado State Law that wants to legally force your child up off their asses and makes them do something. Another State Initiative that gives another 30 minutes a day of exclusive control over your child by the State.

Link

Justoo wrote:

Was that you or him that is narrow minded and unable to comprehend another mans argument.

It is for him "Beating the proverbial dead horse into the fucking ground" with the same Republican/Pro-Life tired and worn out talking points over and over and over again and again. I got his NeoCon point the first time he spewed it, now he is just spewing it over and over because it is the only moronic argument he has.

Move on and fucking get over it, the State has taken one more of your Parental Rights away from you. It is just like every other Civil Right that was stripped during the Karl "Marx" Rove/Dick Cheney/Dubya fucking Bush adminstration, who took the United States Constitution and pretty much wiped their asses with it. He'll never get back all of the Rights that were stolen from the Citizens of this country under the "Decider's and his Henchmen" took away during their eight years of fucking the American Public up the ass.

And no, I am not a Democrat and I didn't vote for as he calls him "The Messiah" - Thanks to the mess Bush and Company did to the economy and Wall Street, ny 401K has been pillaged to the point of it basically being gone. And guess what, according to my accountant, I can't even claim the loss of it in my itemized deductions this year!

Your 401K does not icur a loss unless it is sold. All other losses are on paper only. Margin Calls suck, don't they?

Justoo wrote:

mikecc wrote:

or the girl jumping vigorously up and down to prevent pregnancy.

Didn't they do this one on Myth-Busters recently?

I dunno, seen them do the "You can get pregnant by kissing a boy in the back seat of a car while wearing a bathing suit" myth, don't remember how it came out.

I think Ratzilla owes an apology to Planned Parenthood.

I'm curious how many arguing this point have children?

slider wrote:

Justoo wrote:

Was that you or him that is narrow minded and unable to comprehend another mans argument.

It is for him "Beating the proverbial dead horse into the fucking ground" with the same Republican/Pro-Life tired and worn out talking points over and over and over again and again. I got his NeoCon point the first time he spewed it, now he is just spewing it over and over because it is the only moronic argument he has.

Move on and fucking get over it, the State has taken one more of your Parental Rights away from you. It is just like every other Civil Right that was stripped during the Karl "Marx" Rove/Dick Cheney/Dubya fucking Bush adminstration, who took the United States Constitution and pretty much wiped their asses with it. He'll never get back all of the Rights that were stolen from the Citizens of this country under the "Decider's and his Henchmen" took away during their eight years of fucking the American Public up the ass.

And no, I am not a Democrat and I didn't vote for as he calls him "The Messiah" - Thanks to the mess Bush and Company did to the economy and Wall Street, ny 401K has been pillaged to the point of it basically being gone. And guess what, according to my accountant, I can't even claim the loss of it in my itemized deductions this year!

So is that why you have such a pissy attitude? Don't you know there is risk in the market? Oh and it was the democrats that created the housing mess by not reining in Freddie and Fannie when the dangers of their policies on high risk mortgages came to light

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If your looking for help from these bozos, you are more delusional than it first appeared

As for the birth control issue, I think the state should leave that to the parents and not exclude the parents from the process

slider wrote:

It is for him "Beating the proverbial dead horse into the fucking ground" with the same Republican/Pro-Life tired and worn out talking points over and over and over again and again. I got his NeoCon point the first time he spewed it, now he is just spewing it over and over because it is the only moronic argument he has.

and then...

slider wrote:

the State has taken one more of your Parental Rights away from you. It is just like every other Civil Right that was stripped during the Karl "Marx" Rove/Dick Cheney/Dubya fucking Bush adminstration, who took the United States Constitution and pretty much wiped their asses with it. He'll never get back all of the Rights that were stolen from the Citizens of this country under the "Decider's and his Henchmen" took away during their eight years of fucking the American Public up the ass.

Pot calling the kettle black?

slider wrote:

And no, I am not a Democrat and I didn't vote for as he calls him "The Messiah" - Thanks to the mess Bush and Company did to the economy and Wall Street!

If you walk like a duck and talk like a duck, sooner or later even you may realize your a duck.

well stated nitro

barney frank - take two..

See, the Bush administration did it again!!!

Next time try a more reliable source than a financial news network, ok?

[quote="LukeTHr
So is that why you have such a pissy attitude? Don't you know there is risk in the market? Oh and it was the democrats that created the housing mess by not reining in Freddie and Fannie when the dangers of their policies on high risk mortgages came to light.

If your looking for help from these bozos, you are more delusional than it first appeared

As for the birth control issue, I think the state should leave that to the parents and not exclude the parents from the process[/quote]

My 401K was through my former employment, I have no input as to what they invested in in the market. I should have cashed it in in 2007 but the bastards lied through their teeth and gave me the usual bullshit story that I would have to pay some ungodly amount of penalty to cash out, hindsight being 20/20 I should of told them to go fuck themselves and just took my money and ran. But I took faith in their alledged expertise and let it set. Noww its gone and it sure as hell isn't coming back thanks to the Bush's little Wall Street boy and his handing out Billions with nothing to show for it.

Yes the mother fucking Bush Administration is to blame for the last eight years. All of this bullshit happened under their watch, they could have done things to stop the bleeding and they have could have been more proactive to the signs. but chose to ignore all of them. Why is itall the Democrats fault, the Bush Administration was the one who could have at least tried to put forth an effort to do something, instead the dumb Bastard sent over 4,000 troops to their deaths because of his fucking lies and used his mythical power and cronies to rape the Constitution and the Citizens of this Country.

I ain't looking for help from anybody, maybe you can take your share of the stimulus and put it to good use buying some more of the crack cocaine or the crystal meth you've been smoking sparkie! Sure as hell will keep you on the path of the talk radio heads spewing lie after lie in true Neo-Con Bush era talking points that are so fucking ludicrious that even the base of the Republican Party is having a hard time swallowing the shit.

slider wrote:

[quote="LukeTHr
So is that why you have such a pissy attitude? Don't you know there is risk in the market? Oh and it was the democrats that created the housing mess by not reining in Freddie and Fannie when the dangers of their policies on high risk mortgages came to light.

If your looking for help from these bozos, you are more delusional than it first appeared

As for the birth control issue, I think the state should leave that to the parents and not exclude the parents from the process

My 401K was through my former employment, I have no input as to what they invested in in the market. I should have cashed it in in 2007 but the bastards lied through their teeth and gave me the usual bullshit story that I would have to pay some ungodly amount of penalty to cash out, hindsight being 20/20 I should of told them to go fuck themselves and just took my money and ran. But I took faith in their alledged expertise and let it set. Noww its gone and it sure as hell isn't coming back thanks to the Bush's little Wall Street boy and his handing out Billions with nothing to show for it.

Yes the mother fucking Bush Administration is to blame for the last eight years. All of this bullshit happened under their watch, they could have done things to stop the bleeding and they have could have been more proactive to the signs. but chose to ignore all of them. Why is itall the Democrats fault, the Bush Administration was the one who could have at least tried to put forth an effort to do something, instead the dumb Bastard sent over 4,000 troops to their deaths because of his fucking lies and used his mythical power and cronies to rape the Constitution and the Citizens of this Country.

I ain't looking for help from anybody, maybe you can take your share of the stimulus and put it to good use buying some more of the crack cocaine or the crystal meth you've been smoking sparkie! Sure as hell will keep you on the path of the talk radio heads spewing lie after lie in true Neo-Con Bush era talking points that are so fucking ludicrious that even the base of the Republican Party is having a hard time swallowing the shit.[/quote]


tell ya what there Sparkie,, if you're such a fucking genius , why don't you jump right in there and get yourself elected and you go straighten things up. Oh , and for your information, I doubt that I will qualify for any stimulus, and even if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't waste on crack or meth. That just doesn't interest me. You on the other hand, need to seek some sort of mental help to get your anger at the rest of the world under control. You seem to be on the edge of becoming insane.

slider wrote:

[quote="LukeTHr
So is that why you have such a pissy attitude? Don't you know there is risk in the market? Oh and it was the democrats that created the housing mess by not reining in Freddie and Fannie when the dangers of their policies on high risk mortgages came to light.

If your looking for help from these bozos, you are more delusional than it first appeared

As for the birth control issue, I think the state should leave that to the parents and not exclude the parents from the process

My 401K was through my former employment, I have no input as to what they invested in in the market. I should have cashed it in in 2007 but the bastards lied through their teeth and gave me the usual bullshit story that I would have to pay some ungodly amount of penalty to cash out, hindsight being 20/20 I should of told them to go fuck themselves and just took my money and ran. But I took faith in their alledged expertise and let it set. Noww its gone and it sure as hell isn't coming back thanks to the Bush's little Wall Street boy and his handing out Billions with nothing to show for it.

Yes the mother fucking Bush Administration is to blame for the last eight years. All of this bullshit happened under their watch, they could have done things to stop the bleeding and they have could have been more proactive to the signs. but chose to ignore all of them. Why is itall the Democrats fault, the Bush Administration was the one who could have at least tried to put forth an effort to do something, instead the dumb Bastard sent over 4,000 troops to their deaths because of his fucking lies and used his mythical power and cronies to rape the Constitution and the Citizens of this Country.

I ain't looking for help from anybody, maybe you can take your share of the stimulus and put it to good use buying some more of the crack cocaine or the crystal meth you've been smoking sparkie! Sure as hell will keep you on the path of the talk radio heads spewing lie after lie in true Neo-Con Bush era talking points that are so fucking ludicrious that even the base of the Republican Party is having a hard time swallowing the shit.[/quote]

slider wrote:

And no, I am not a Democrat

It's ok to quack, slider. We already know you're a duck. Be proud of what you are.

slider go to the medicine cabinet and find the valium, take two.

LukeTHr wrote:

why don't you jump right in there and get yourself elected and you go straighten things up.

Wouldn't that prohibit the prompt delivery of his handout that the drake promised him?

nitromaxx98 wrote:

I'm curious how many arguing this point have children?

I shall pose the question again.

So that's your answer to my complaint huh? The government screws us again so just sit and take it. Now that's what made America great.

By the way slider, I would have only made my point once if it hadn't been for others who kept bringing up a myriad of unimportant counterpoints. And in the end it turns out that you guys saw the points I was making all along but just chose to argue.

By the way, don't call me a neocon moralist. In every presidential election I ever voted in my vote went to the libertarian.

And to answer your question nitro, you know I'm not a parent, but I've talked to some who agree with me on this, and one I can even quote.

Ratzilla's Mom said....

Quote :

It's a parents business how they raise their kids. They got the right to know if their kids are doin that and the government needs to keep their nose out of it.

I knew about you, ratz. Was curious about Luke and Donald.

Also, the ladies seem very quiet on this subject.

yes I am a parent of both boys and girls

I'm not surprised the women are quiet. Lots of girls use these services and so over the years I've seen basically three types of women on the subject. Those that did it themselves but don't want to admit it. Those who don't approve but don't wish to draw the wrath of their fellow woman, and those who did it themselves behind their parents back and are scared as hell their own daughters will too.

We've had a couple women here that have put forth some opinion and one who admits using the service while still under 16 but I don't expect widespread womens opinions. The reason is that from in my own family I've seen that those who did this tend to be a bit ashamed that they went behind their parents backs.

It's not like being secretive because you were hiding the great gift you bought dad for his birthday. There's not a lot of honor in being known as someone who was dishonest with their parents and went to an outsider so they could have underage sex. Not something alot of women look back on with pride. I personally feel that it's a damn shame kids can't be more like they are in Denmark where the entire sexual life is openly discussed with parents with no fear or guilt.