Planned Parenthood criminal activity.

I think they should just start giving out preggers tests and Nix to all high school and college age students and maybe throw in a bonus of a coat hanger.

I only used the F word because you two were totally refusing to see my side of the argument. And besides that very word was being used by a minor female directed at her parents when they questioned her wanting the pill. I didn't direct that term at a minor, I directed at you to try to get you to see the point. Had you not repeatedly just argued "It's the law it's the law" I wouldn't have done so.

This has nothing to do with adults wanting kids and you're making a rediculous leap to even suggest that. No, I correct that. Some underage girls are going to get the pill because they are seeing 18 and 19 year olds behind their parents backs. Does that bother you?

So the parents WERE informed?

Ratzilla wrote:

Some underage girls are going to get the pill because they are seeing 18 and 19 year olds behind their parents backs. Does that bother you?

Do you have any proof to back this claim up or is it just another assumption that it is the truth?

18 and 19 year olds????? Oh, my. What all can you blame bad parenting on. No wonder it takes a village.

I've seen alot of freshman girls with senior boys. Freshmen girls at 14 or 15 with senior boys who are typically 18 at graduation. Plus I've been told of incidents over time. The parents knew about them. What they did about it is their business. If you've never known of a girl under 16 running with 18 year olds it might be time for you to open your eyes.

I did want to hit on one point mike that you've brought up alot. That point being that swallowing a pill does not equate to having sex. But the reason for age of consent being 16 is because it has been deemed that someone under the age of 16 is not mentally mature enough to understand all the implications of sexual activity. So how are they mentally mature enough to go out on their own and have medications prescribed for them to prevent pregnancy?

I've heard this and I've heard that, so all of your information your argument is based on is basically hearsay? Senior boys dating freshman or Sophmore girls, oh my waht a travesty!

Ratzilla that was happening when I was in High School in the 70's. That is all you got for proof?

Even Fixed News has higher standards than that!

Seems to me you may be confusing white mans laws and Gods laws. Old enough to bleed....old enough to breed seems to be the law of nature.

If you don't actually see it go in then you have no case.

Yeah 14 year olds have been dating 18 year olds for ages. But I'm talking about parents who do not want their underage daughters to be put on the pill without them even knowing about it. And as far as the illegality of a 14 year old freshman getting in bed with an 18 year old senior goes, it's as you both said "It's the law".

It does not matter what the parent wants. The parent has no right to know what their underage daughters do in the matter of contraception. The State has mandated this, and as a citizen of the State, you are morally bound to it.

Is it a problem if she goes down to the corner gas station, and in the privacy of a bathroom, purchase condoms? Its the same thing. Contraception is contraception. Any way you slice it.

I really hope I need not say this for a tenth time, but I'm not questioning the law, I'm questioning the wisdom of that law. I'm questioning whether a minor who as stated by law does not have the mental capacity to consent until age 16, yet this same minor deemed mentally immature by the state can obtain a pregnancy preventing medication without even needing parental consent.

Oh, and I've never been inside a girls restroom to know if there's a condom machine there. You must be a real pervert to know that.

Ratzilla wrote:

Oh, and I've never been inside a girls restroom to know if there's a condom machine there. You must be a real pervert to know that.

Janitor? Teacher? Principal? etc... and Pervert. All possibilities.

I have had to work many menial jobs to put food on the table, I've cleaned a restroom or two in my day. Womens restrooms are always messier than the mens, the women folk like to tear TP into confetti and litter the floor with it......

The State has decided that a girl of any age must be capable of making the decision by themselves. It is the States Right to decide these things, It is not up to the parent. It keeps more people working this way.

mikecc wrote:

I have had to work many menial jobs to put food on the table, I've cleaned a restroom or two in my day. Womens restrooms are always messier than the mens, the women folk like to tear TP into confetti and litter the floor with it......

The State has decided that a girl of any age must be capable of making the decision by themselves. It is the States Right to decide these things, It is not up to the parent. It keeps more people working this way.

As I said, I know what the state has decided. But it is still contradicting other laws. And yes, I did have to clean a womens bathroom when I worked at a truck stop 30 years ago. No condom machines in there then. One thing I can agree on is that womens bathrooms are messier. My dad used to clean bathrooms at one job he had and he said women could be real pigs.

peg wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Oh, and I've never been inside a girls restroom to know if there's a condom machine there. You must be a real pervert to know that.

Janitor? Teacher? Principal? etc... and Pervert. All possibilities.

Just a slight jab back for some mike tossed my way.

I was once a young teenage girl. I dated a few guys much older than I was. My parents were aware of the situation, but we really didn't discuss sex or the pill or any of that until I was a senior. I admit that I was sexually active sooner than I should have been - and the thought of going somewhere to get put on a pill really didn't cross my mind. I got quite lucky. I had an open enough relationship with my mom that I could talk to her about it, and we went to planned parenthood my senior year and started me on the pill. I feel bad for these girls who are forced to go behind their parents back because of the lack of a good open relationship between them. Sex is something that is difficult to discuss with a parent. I plan to be very open with my children, in fact I already have. My children know that they have nothing to hide from me and even though their questions might be a little embarassing, I will never laugh at them. Things have changed alot even since I was in HS and I have a nephew who is almost 13 - and I can't wrap my brain around how these kids act. I know I will have to be on guard when my kids get to that age.

I agree with Ratz in that the laws seem to be working against each other. I also agree that if the parents were doing the proper thing when it came to raising their child, there wouldn't be a need for these girls/kids to be going behind their parents back for information and help.

Thanks NB. Much nicer to see input instead of argument. Thanks to slumbergirl also for giving your personal story. I agree it's too bad things are the way they are now. Kids have become alienated from their parents for numerous reasons nowdays. And at a time when a kid really needs to be talking to their parents society has given them a way to exclude dad and mom, and I can't see that as good.

The thread started out arguemenitive.

mikecc wrote:

The thread started out arguemenitive.

I was speaking for upset parents. You say why didn't they come here and post for themselves? Maybe they figured it would turn into what it did, or maybe they just prefer to try and handle this without telling the whole world, or maybe they just don't like internet forums. Regardless, I posted their frustrations for them. It's an unsettling subject when parents lose control, and upsetting for those who know them too.

Now that I have reread what I posted I want to clarify something. I am not saying that all parents whose daughters are going behind their backs are bad parents. Sometimes a girl might feel the need to sneak around because her parents are strict and they are afraid of what the parents might do if they found out. I was referring to the deadbeat parents who aren't involved in their kids lives and could care less what their kids are doing.

Sometimes the parents aren't that bad, the girl is just that sneaky. One of my nieces (you know who NB) told me once that she did alot of things her daddy never knew about, and we know he was a great guy. He just got a little loud sometimes. LOL

Ratzilla wrote:

Sometimes the parents aren't that bad, the girl is just that sneaky. One of my nieces (you know who NB) told me once that she did alot of things her daddy never knew about, and we know he was a great guy. He just got a little loud sometimes. LOL

but according to others here, he must have been a terrible irresponsible parent to have a child do things like that

Josh had some interesting input on this tpoic.

well what is it Nitro?

He could not understand why it's ok to get birth control when sex is illegal for someone his age.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

He could not understand why it's ok to get birth control when sex is illegal for someone his age.

from the mouths of babes comes the wisdom beyond many adults...........

also asked him if he would have unprotected sex if given the chance. He said yes, but he'd rather use it because he didn't want to get a girl pregnant.

He also thinks that it's not right for doctors not to tell parents if their kids are getting BC.

LukeTHr wrote:

nitromaxx98 wrote:

He could not understand why it's ok to get birth control when sex is illegal for someone his age.

from the mouths of babes comes the wisdom beyond many adults...........

Guess the government will be coming after me because I have some control over my child. Right mike? Or does that make me a bad American?

So if I understand this correctly - Josh at the age of 12, almost 13 could walk into Planned Parenthood and get condoms - and they would not contact you to let you know, is that correct? Even tho technically it is illegal for him to engage in sexual activity? Yes I realize he could go into a drugstore or something to get them.

That is correct. Technically, according to the law, so could Abby.

And according to mike, there is NOTHING we can do about it because the GOVERNMENT gives children supreme power over adults.

Family asks Ohio Supreme Court to force Planned
Parenthood to release hundreds of records
By JULIE CARR SMYTH
Associated Press Writer
5:24 PM CDT, October 7, 2008
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) _ Ohio Supreme Court justices appeared skeptical Tuesday that an
abortion clinic's medical records on other patients are relevant to a lawsuit brought by parents of a 14-year-old girl who had an abortion without their consent. Lawyers for the girl's family argued that the information they seek is necessary to prove that Planned Parenthood of Cincinnati had a pattern of violating Ohio's parental consent law and failing to report abuse. The unusual case pits a single plaintiff against the privacy interests of a decade's worth of patients. Planned Parenthood attorney Daniel Buckley
says the clinic has a legal obligation to protect the privacy of its clients' records.

The Ohio case is the latest incident involving Planned Parenthood where instances of child abuse or statutory rape went unreported. In 2002, Life Dynamics exposed Planned Parenthood's willingness to cover up statutory rape by legally recording over 800 phone conversations with Planned Parenthood representatives who told an actress posing as a 13-year-old girl not to tell them she became pregnant by her 22-year-old boyfriend. Just last year, student-reporter Lila Rose exposed that Planned Parenthood of Los Angeles was willing to cover up statutory rape by posing as a pregnant 15-year-old girl whose boyfriend was 22. The Planned Parenthood staffer told Lila to make up a date of birth so no record of statutory rape could be made.

Luckily Josh and I are close.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The Alliance Defense Fund on behalf of 27 pro-family organizations filed a friend-of-the-court brief with the Ohio Supreme Court Monday in a case involving Planned Parenthood staff who failed to report the statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl abused by her school’s soccer coach. The coach, age 21, brought the girl to the Planned Parenthood clinic in Cincinnati to have an abortion after discovering he had impregnated her.

The high court is being asked to reverse an appellate court decision keeping the minor and her parents, represented by ADF-allied attorney Brian Hurley, from accessing Planned Parenthood records that may show a systematic cover-up of statutory rape and other sexual abuse.

“The health and safety of young girls trumps Planned Parenthood’s desire for secrecy,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Jeff Shafer. “Ohio law mandates that Planned Parenthood report the sexual abuse of minors, and evidence that may reveal the organization’s violation of that legal obligation may not be hidden.”

The parents of the minor girl brought suit on their daughter’s behalf when they discovered that Planned Parenthood allowed their daughter to undergo an abortion at the behest of the girl’s soccer coach without notifying civil authorities, which is required in cases of statutory rape. Neither Planned Parenthood nor the soccer coach notified the parents of the abortion or the sexual relationship. The lawsuit seeks to gather Planned Parenthood records that may demonstrate a systematic pattern of such unlawful cover-up.

“Planned Parenthood is not above the law,” said ADF-allied attorney David Langdon, who co-wrote the friend-of-the-court brief. “Planned Parenthood is attempting to hide behind inapplicable physician-patient privilege in an apparent effort to protect itself.”

After filing suit, a trial judge ordered Planned Parenthood to release certain records to the young girl’s parents. Planned Parenthood appealed the decision, and an Ohio appellate court ruled Planned Parenthood was not required to release its records. The case is now on appeal to the Ohio Supreme Court.

Now you are changing the point of your orginal argument? What does this new course have to do with the giving Birth Control to a minor?


Can't win an argument, change the subject then just the Radio Blowhards!

Ratzilla wrote:

Family asks Ohio Supreme Court to force Planned
Parenthood to release hundreds of records
By JULIE CARR SMYTH
Associated Press Writer
5:24 PM CDT, October 7, 2008
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) _ Ohio Supreme Court justices appeared skeptical Tuesday that an
abortion clinic's medical records on other patients are relevant to a lawsuit brought by parents of a 14-year-old girl who had an abortion without their consent. Lawyers for the girl's family argued that the information they seek is necessary to prove that Planned Parenthood of Cincinnati had a pattern of violating Ohio's parental consent law and failing to report abuse. The unusual case pits a single plaintiff against the privacy interests of a decade's worth of patients. Planned Parenthood attorney Daniel Buckley
says the clinic has a legal obligation to protect the privacy of its clients' records.

If the abortion clinic performed the abortion without the parents consent, then they are in violation of the law and should be closed and the people involved that performed the procedure should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

Demostrating illegal activity by Planned Parenthood is precisely on topic. You're pathetic slider. Crawl back in your hole.

an illegal abortion could be considered murder in the first degree couldn't it?

I agree with what you are saying Ratz. I work in a field where if when people want a report of what medicines their family receives during a year the parent can sign for it but it has to be mailed to the child. The reason- if a girl is on BC and doesn't want her parents to know she can hide it from them. I don't agree with it at all. I think it is sad what has become of this world. My parents and I were/are very close. They knew alot of what I was doing at a very young age. I never hid anything from them and never had too. They supported me and my decisions because everything in your life is a lesson. I know many kids don't have this kind of relationship with their parents and it is sad. Parents have a right to know what is going on in their kids' lives and should chose to be involved. If they don't it is theit fault and they are missing out. Good for you and your beliefs.

This is interesting. A video used by Planned Parenthood in California. A minute and a half into it you see a villanous looking man talking to kids telling them about how abstinance is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy and disease. The kids say they have other options and about then the Planned Parenthood "superhero" comes along to vanquish the evil man and give a quick "Come to Planned Parenthood for all your reproductive needs" speech to the kids.

They showed this video to kids in California. Yeah, Planned Parenthood is wonderful. Notice how anyone talking abstinance or being pro-life is portrayed as evil, some are even zombies, while everyone promoting PP are upstanding citizens.

thats about typical for san fran..... also seems to promote violence against anything that differs from their viewpoint.... yeah, we won't allow folks to protest as the constitution allows, just kill them and make all the problems go away

nitromaxx98 wrote:

He also thinks that it's not right for doctors not to tell parents if their kids are getting BC.

It obvious, then, that the State thinks he has not the maturity to make decisions for himself, ergo, the State shall make it for him. It is the States right, not his, not yours, the States. And, yes, the State shall soon be comming for your child. It is inevitable, esp. as the State fiscal problem wears on, and the State will need to generate income, and jobs.

chiefsfan wrote:

I agree with what you are saying Ratz. I work in a field where if when people want a report of what medicines their family receives during a year the parent can sign for it but it has to be mailed to the child. The reason- if a girl is on BC and doesn't want her parents to know she can hide it from them. I don't agree with it at all. I think it is sad what has become of this world. My parents and I were/are very close. They knew alot of what I was doing at a very young age. I never hid anything from them and never had too. They supported me and my decisions because everything in your life is a lesson. I know many kids don't have this kind of relationship with their parents and it is sad. Parents have a right to know what is going on in their kids' lives and should chose to be involved. If they don't it is theit fault and they are missing out. Good for you and your beliefs.

Why don't you inform the parents, if children are taking BC pills?

Ratzilla wrote:

Sometimes the parents aren't that bad, the girl is just that sneaky. One of my nieces (you know who NB) told me once that she did alot of things her daddy never knew about, and we know he was a great guy. He just got a little loud sometimes. LOL

So its genetics that the girl is a little WHORE????

Ratzilla wrote:

mikecc wrote:

The thread started out arguemenitive.

I was speaking for upset parents. You say why didn't they come here and post for themselves? Maybe they figured it would turn into what it did, or maybe they just prefer to try and handle this without telling the whole world, or maybe they just don't like internet forums. Regardless, I posted their frustrations for them. It's an unsettling subject when parents lose control, and upsetting for those who know them too.

fuck them parents that have not the balls to go into an internet forum and post a tirade for people to answer.
No wonder they raised a sneaky little slut. Probably seducing young lads that are way too young to be involved in sex. I hope the state finds out who these people are and yanks that child out of that setting for her own good, and for the good of the community, and the sons of good people.

I wish I knew who these people were, I'd call child services myself. Then you can see 1st hand how many rights teh aprent has. HAHAHAHA.

mikecc wrote:

chiefsfan wrote:

I agree with what you are saying Ratz. I work in a field where if when people want a report of what medicines their family receives during a year the parent can sign for it but it has to be mailed to the child. The reason- if a girl is on BC and doesn't want her parents to know she can hide it from them. I don't agree with it at all. I think it is sad what has become of this world. My parents and I were/are very close. They knew alot of what I was doing at a very young age. I never hid anything from them and never had too. They supported me and my decisions because everything in your life is a lesson. I know many kids don't have this kind of relationship with their parents and it is sad. Parents have a right to know what is going on in their kids' lives and should chose to be involved. If they don't it is theit fault and they are missing out. Good for you and your beliefs.

Why don't you inform the parents, if children are taking BC pills?

because it's illegal. Have you heard of HIPAA?

So you are a BIG part of Ratzs Problem. The #1 Problem. Does HIPAA apply to you, and you alone? Dont act all holy if you carry the same sins that Planned Parenthood is accused of. chiefsfan Condones underage sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What does abortion have to do with birth control?