Planned Parenthood criminal activity.

Ratzilla wrote:

\Ratzilla's Mom said....

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It's a parents business how they raise their kids. They got the right to know if their kids are doin that and the government needs to keep their nose out of it.

So if your Parents or someone in that house is beating the holy fuck out of you or sexually a or mentally abusing you as a child it is their right because of a split second of biological luck in the sack and the Government has no right to intervene to save the life or protect the rights of a minor child? That is a perfect example of severely flawed logic when you get doen to it, thank God more people don't think that way in this Country!

Once again, there is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees that you can keep the Government out of your business period. Some Parents aren't mentally capable of having children much less raising them. The Government is capable of removing your children at any time they want to protect if they have probable cause that you or someone in your is abusing them, if you aren't feeding them and all it takes os one phone call to Child Services by someone claiming your aren't looking ater the best interest of our children. Historically it is up to the Parents to prove their innocence in these cases.

How many children would still be alive had the big bad oppressive Government had stepped in and taken action against the Parents of innocent children before their lives had been erased or forever crippled by the Parents who have this alledged unalienable right to raise their kids the way they feel is right, no matter how wrong their ways are?

So the government protects them from harm and insures their right to have illegal sex?

Can the government take these kids away from a parent that does not allow them to have illegal underaged sex?

All the rights you think you have as a parent reside with the State, and the child. Try the child one time, and all the child has to do is drop a dime. Don't fool yourself into thinking any different, Hell, I can drop a dime and inject State influence into any family I randomly look up in the phone book. And all it takes is an alligation, not any proof at all. Proof is for fools, not for the court system.

Perhaps you would be better served under Islamic Law (Sharia) that allows that the female (who cannot drive, who cannot attend school, who must cover her whole body) cannot step out of doors without a male relitive to escort them. And if they do, you can behead her. Yeah.....thats the ticket. Some Laws I can really get behind!

Ratzilla wrote:

My comments have nothing to do with religion or right to lifers or any other cult. My comments are simple facts. The right of a parent to know what their underage child does has been taken away by the government, and Planned Parenthood knows damn well that these underage girls cannot legally have sex, yet they supply them with a pill to be used to prevent pregnancy that would be caused by that illegal activity.

You guys can dance around the facts all you want, but this is government condoning an activity that the same government has down on the books as harmful and illegal with no input from the parents at all. And in supporting this activity you are as much as saying the government has more right to decide the upbringing of a child than her own parents. If none of you see how wrong all that is there's no point in discussing it further.

Simple facts? right to lifers are not a cult, as is not mainstream religion. Two of your facts, that in reality are not.

The right of a parent to know what their underage child does has not been taken away by the government. The right of a parent to know what their underage child does has been given away by the parent and society.

Medical Providers knows that underage people cannot legally have sex. This is proscribed by law.

Medication does not cause prgnancy. Prescription of medication does not enable a person to do anything that they do not want to do. Prescription of medication does not control the actions of a juvenile. If medical providers did not provide such a service to people, people would not stop their activities. They do not go to their medical provider to recieve permission, nor absolution of thier acts.

Laws on the books with no input from parents? You can write a letter, you can dial a phone, you can vote your conscience. You have many avenues of input, if you choose to use them.

The Government DOES have more rights to raising your child than the parent does. It takes a Village to Raise a Child, don'tcha know?

What you consider your facts, in all reality, is fantasy.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

I'm curious how many arguing this point have children?

As a member of our society I am a parent to all childeren.

this conversation makes me happy I have no daughters. I feel for my brother as he has one daughter and another on the way. They will be 3 years apart so it will be datin' time for both of them around the same time. Good thing he can borrow a shotgun from me!!!!!!1

Boys can go to any heath care provider and obtain contraception, too.

Better than Birth Control is Pure Living.

For courting's a pleasure
But parting is grief
And the false hearted lover
Is worse than a thief

A thief will just rob you
And take what you have
But a false hearted lover
Will lead you to the grave

Not one boy in a hundred
A poor girl can trust
They'll hug you and kiss you
Tell you more lies
Than cross ties on a railroad
Or the stars in the sky

So come all you young maidens
And listen to me
Never place your affection
On a green willow tree

For the leaves they will wither
And roots they will die
You'll all be forsaken
And never know why

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slider, you can't derail me by trying to change things to an entirely different topic so quit wasting your time.

mike.... I'm so happy that you and slider have chosen to submit totally to your government massa.

Oh and mike.... ALL religions are cults.

Ratzilla wrote:

ALL religions are cults.

I suppose, as is the lack of religion is also, in itself a cult.

Ratzilla wrote:

mike.... I'm so happy that you and slider have chosen to submit totally to your government massa.

So have you. Resistance is futile. You have no choice. The system will come for you soon, and devour you. It only takes time.

Ratzilla wrote:

slider, you can't derail me by trying to change things to an entirely different topic so quit wasting your time.

mike.... I'm so happy that you and slider have chosen to submit totally to your government massa.

Oh and mike.... ALL religions are cults.

Ratzilla, neither you or I can change anything Government does by ourselves. You should be smarter than that, at least I would of thought you would realized that small fact. I guess you forgot that from Civics Class, probably snuck outside to toke away before class, huh?.

It takes a major groundswell of those who wish to have their voice heard to do anything to change it. Unfortunately there hasn't been that groundswell so you better lube your ass up because the fact of the matter is you are only going to get reamed up the ass by your elected Government before anything changes anytime soon ....

So here is my advice to you Rat old buddy, drop your pants, bend over, grab your ankles, get a giant gasp of air and fucking take it like a man and be thankful you live here and have the right to repeatedly spout your narrow minded rubbish laden talking points memorandum from the Limbaugh's, Hannity's and all of the other retarded right wing bigots of the polleted airwaves of talk radio!

Remember, Federal law breakers like Rush Limbaugh, you know Professional Oxy-Contan abusers can get a way with murder if they can recite the ditto headed "W" talking points verbatum on talk radio. Any other normal citizen would be in still be locked away for years to come in a jail for the illegal multiple prescriptions that the fat bastard forged to obtain his fix.

slider wrote:

Remember, Federal law breakers like Rush Limbaugh, you know Professional Oxy-Contan abusers can get a way with murder if they can recite the ditto headed "W" talking points verbatum on talk radio. Any other normal citizen would be in still be locked away for years to come in a jail for the illegal multiple prescriptions that the fat bastard forged to obtain his fix.

But, would he be able to go to Planned Parenthood without his parents knowledge and obtain birth control pills?

Yes Sir mikecc, that is a fact and he wouldn't get pregnant neither!!

slider wrote:

So here is my advice to you Rat old buddy, drop your pants, bend over, grab your ankles, get a giant gasp of air and fucking take it like a man and be thankful you live here and have the right to repeatedly spout your narrow minded rubbish laden talking points memorandum from the Limbaugh's, Hannity's and all of the other retarded right wing bigots of the polleted airwaves of talk radio!

Remember, Federal law breakers like Rush Limbaugh, you know Professional Oxy-Contan abusers can get a way with murder if they can recite the ditto headed "W" talking points verbatum on talk radio. Any other normal citizen would be in still be locked away for years to come in a jail for the illegal multiple prescriptions that the fat bastard forged to obtain his fix.

Just admit you're a duck, dude. At least mike's arguments hold water because he realizes that the problems with government run much deeper and way further back than the Bush/Cheney era.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

I knew about you, ratz. Was curious about Luke and Donald.

Also, the ladies seem very quiet on this subject.

I voiced my opinion a couple of pages back...

slider wrote:

Ratzilla, neither you or I can change anything Government does by ourselves. You should be smarter than that, at least I would of thought you would realized that small fact. I guess you forgot that from Civics Class, probably snuck outside to toke away before class, huh?.

Maybe you forgot that changes often start over a conversation between a few and build over time. Unless everyone they speak to is like you, frothing at the mouth with hopeless anger.

slider wrote:

So here is my advice to you Rat old buddy, drop your pants, bend over, grab your ankles, get a giant gasp of air and fucking take it like a man and be thankful you live here and have the right to repeatedly spout your narrow minded rubbish laden talking points memorandum from the Limbaugh's, Hannity's and all of the other retarded right wing bigots of the polleted airwaves of talk radio!

This is where your lack of knowledge has made you look like a rabid baboon to any who were still undecided. Everyone who knows my politics knows I do not listen to that egomaniacal windbag Limbaugh and nobody on this forum was more pissed how he came back to right wing glory after doing what he preached against so heavily. I made numerous anti-Limbaugh posts when all that came out, but you weren't here. Hannity is just the name of one more spin doctor I never listen to. And don't feel threatened slider. You still hold the star billing for narrow minded thinking.

I already said I vote Libertarian in every presidential election but I'm not sure you know what one is.

Now for you and everyone else reading, I posted this because of talking to frustrated parents who's kids are causing them problems. I posted this because I said I'd spread the word around about it. But just like parents in the past who didn't like this situation I'm met by indifference and defeatists.

Ratzilla wrote:

Now for you and everyone else reading, I posted this because of talking to frustrated parents who's kids are causing them problems. I posted this because I said I'd spread the word around about it. But just like parents in the past who didn't like this situation I'm met by indifference and defeatists.

You came in here asking questions, wanting answers.

Ratzilla wrote:

So why the hell can a girl who is not 16 and cannot legally consent to sex in this state go to Planned Parenthood without her parents knowledge and obtain birth control pills?

And the correct answer comes to: Its the law.

You also asked:

Ratzilla wrote:

So how can Planned Parenthood legally support that act?

And even tho its kind of a false question, I answered it thus: Giving young girls methods of cotraception and underage people having sex are 2 different subjects. One has no bearing, legally on the other.

And finally a Question that remains unaddressed:

Ratzilla wrote:

Everyone keeps asking , but why not?

Why not let people ask "why kids are sexually active so early nowdays"?

This is far from "Spreading the Word". FYI.........The Word of the Day is Legs!

mikecc wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Now for you and everyone else reading, I posted this because of talking to frustrated parents who's kids are causing them problems. I posted this because I said I'd spread the word around about it. But just like parents in the past who didn't like this situation I'm met by indifference and defeatists.

You came in here asking questions, wanting answers.

That is the absolute truth. Don't call me a liar.

As for it being "the law" that underage girls can get the pill behind their parents back goes, that is why I'm complaining. I want to know why we allow that. Don't be so dense.

mikecc wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

So how can Planned Parenthood legally support that act?

And even tho its kind of a false question, I answered it thus: Giving young girls methods of cotraception and underage people having sex are 2 different subjects. One has no bearing, legally on the other.

That's stupid mike. Does that mean they don't expect anyone to use those condoms they hand out either? Oh here's your pills kid, but whatever would you need them for?


I think the best point made on your side was that this is a money thing. The government is providing jobs to social workers and health professionals and income to the pharmaceutical companies through this. And the drug companies are "big" republican supporters. That is likely the sad truth of why it continues.

Ratzilla wrote:

As for it being "the law" that underage girls can get the pill behind their parents back goes, that is why I'm complaining. I want to know why we allow that. Don't be so dense.

Okay I'll give it a shot and try and put it in language you might be able to understand.
Now just for referance sake I have simplified it so even a pre-schooler can comprehend it?

A - Under current Kansas State Law if you are under 16 it is illegal to have sex.

B - Under either a current State or Federal Law or Regulation you can legally prescribe someone under 16 Birth Control Pills.

C - Under either a current State or Federal Law or Regulation you can legally prescribe someone under 16 Birth Control Pills without Parental Consent.

D - Until one or all of these current State or Federal Laws or Regulations is changed, there is nothing that Planned Parenthood is currently providing to a person that is under the age of 16 in the State of Kansas that is illegal.

Clear enough for you now Ratzilla?

slider you ignorant slut..

That's my point dimwit. The state is counteracting it's own laws which is about as bright as you are right now.

Ratzilla wrote:

slider you ignorant slut..

That's my point dimwit. The state is counteracting it's own laws which is about as bright as you are right now.

Ratzilla, for the love of all things holy ..... stop beating this dead horse. I made that quip as fucking sarcastic as I could so I am the dimwit?

If it gets your pecker so twisted about this unholy transgression then by all means get off of your ass and run for fucking office and change these laws you find so retarded.

ugh, lets let off the namecalling kids.

slider I brought this up just like a thousand other topics have been brought up for serious discussion and a chance for others to give their input. Had I realized it would only attract a couple guys who just want to argue in favor of the government I wouldn't have.

But I must admit that every time I read your replies I see why preventing some births is a good thing.

What a Junior High School cheap shot ... Showing a lot of class or should I say lack of any class there Ratzilla, but then again I guess it really shows you true colors to make a crack like that!

Ratzilla wrote:

slider you ignorant slut..

That's my point dimwit. The state is counteracting it's own laws which is about as bright as you are right now.

Can I see text of the two laws you think are in contradiction.

slider wrote:

What a Junior High School cheap shot ... Showing a lot of class or should I say lack of any class there Ratzilla, but then again I guess it really shows you true colors to make a crack like that!

Sorry slider I don't have your sophisticated class.

slider wrote:

So here is my advice to you Rat old buddy, drop your pants, bend over, grab your ankles, get a giant gasp of air and fucking take it like a man and be thankful you live here and have the right to repeatedly spout your narrow minded rubbish laden talking points memorandum from the Limbaugh's, Hannity's and all of the other retarded right wing bigots of the polleted airwaves of talk radio!

slider wrote:

So take that G String that has obiviously gotten your balls all tangled up in and remove the knot in those panties. That knot appears to be cuttin' off your oxygen supply to your two little brains in your nutsack. And it is apparent that it is about to fall off due to that G String being wound around it so tight.

mikecc wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

slider you ignorant slut..

That's my point dimwit. The state is counteracting it's own laws which is about as bright as you are right now.

Can I see text of the two laws you think are in contradiction.

21-3503. Indecent Liberties With A Child.
Indecent liberties with a child is engaging in any of the following acts with a child who is not married to the offender and is under 16 years of age:
Sexual intercourse; or
any lewd fondling or touching of the person of either the child or the offender, done or submitted to with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the offender, or both; or
soliciting the child to engage in any lewd fondling or touching of the person of another with the intent to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of the child, the offender or another.
Indecent liberties with a child is a class C felony.

and

In the United States, each state has different laws and policies about whether or not minors — anyone under the age of 18 — may get contraceptive prescriptions and counseling from a health care professional. Twenty-one states explicitly allow all minors to consent to contraceptive services without parental permission.

Twenty-five states permit minors to consent to contraceptive services in one or more circumstances. The vast majority allow a married minor to recieve contraceptive services. Three states allow minors to consent to contraceptive services if a physician determines that the minor would face a health hazard otherwise. A few states allow a minor who is a parent or has ever been pregnant to consent to services. Ten states allow a minor to consent if the minor meets other various requirements, including being a high school graduate, reaching a certain age, demonstrating maturity, or receiving a referral from a specified professional, such as a physician or member of the clergy.

Four states have no explicit policy on whether or not minors may consent to contraceptive services. Even when a state has no clear policy or law, physicians may decide to provide medical care to a mature minor without parental consent, particularly if the state allows a minor to consent to other related health services.

STATE CONDITIONS FOR OBTAINING CONTRACEPTIVE SERVICES
Alabama Minors over 14 years, who have completed HS, who are married, or who have a child may get any health care services.
Alaska All minors with no restrictions.
Arizona All minors with no restrictions.
Arkansas All minors with no restrictions.
California All minors with no restrictions.
Colorado All minors with no restrictions.
Connecticut Minors who are married.
Delaware For minors who are 12 and over, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
District of Columbia All minors with no restrictions.
Florida Minors who require contraceptives for health reasons, who are married, have a child, are pregnant, or who have ever been pregnant.
Georgia All minors with no restrictions.
Hawaii For minors 14 and over, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Idaho All minors with no restrictions.
Illinois Minors who require contraceptives for health reasons, who are married, have a child, are pregnant, who have ever been pregnant, or who have a refrral.
Indiana Minors who are married.
Iowa All minors with no restrictions.
Kansas Minors who are mature.
Kentucky All minors with no restrictions. However, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Louisiana Minors who are married.
Maine Minors who require contraceptives for health reasons, who are married, or have a child.
Maryland All minors with no restrictions. However, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Massachusetts All minors with no restrictions.
Michigan Minors who are married.
Minnesota All minors with no restrictions. However, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Mississippi Minors who are married, have a child, or who have a referral.
Missouri Minors who are married.
Montana All minors with no restrictions. However, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Nebraska Minors who are married.
Nevada Minors who are married. Minors who have a child or who are mature may get any health care services.
New Hampshire Minors who are mature.
New Jersey Minors who are are married, pregnant, or who have ever been pregnant may get any health care services.
New Mexico All minors with no restrictions.
New York All minors with no restrictions.
North Carolina All minors with no restrictions.
North Dakota No explicit policy.
Ohio No explicit policy.
Oklahoma Minors who are are married, pregnant, or who have ever been pregnant.
Oregon All minors with no restrictions. However, the physician may, but is not required to, inform the parents.
Pennsylvania Minors who are are married, pregnant, have ever been pregnant, or graduated HS may get any health care services.
Rhode Island No explicit policy.
South Carolina Minors who are married, 16 or over, or who are mature.
South Dakota Minors who are married.
Tennessee All minors with no restrictions.
Texas Minors who are married. State funds may not be used.
Utah Minors who are married. State funds may not be used.
Vermont Minors who are married.
Virginia All minors with no restrictions.
Washington All minors with no restrictions.
West Virginia Minors who are married.
Wisconsin No explicit policy.
Wyoming All minors with no restrictions.



Source: "Minors Access to Contraceptive Services," State Policies in Brief, AGI, Dec 1, 2005. (pdf)

Sorry for length.

No Kansas Statute?

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Kansas Minors who are mature.

Who determines the level of maturity of the minor?

mikecc wrote:

No Kansas Statute?

The first is

Couldn't find one on the second

mikecc wrote:

Can I see text of the two laws you think are in contradiction.

One more time.... The state say a child under 16 cannot legally have sex. The state "KNOWS" why these kids are asking for contraception because the state also provides safe sex information when they get it. The state is therefore giving out condoms and birth control that the state not only "KNOWS" will be used by minors, the state is providing, teaching kids how to use, and expecting these items to be used during or leading up to those illegal acts. If that isn't contradictory then nothing is.

I know the laws, you know the laws. It doesn't mean I have no right to question their wisdom.

suzyr wrote:

Quote :

Kansas Minors who are mature.

Who determines the level of maturity of the minor?

The government does, silly. Parents are to have no say so.....

In KS legal age of consent is 16. Has been for decades and it's no big secret. I thought I posted the comments from the Kansas AG's office on this. Here it is again.

Unlawful voluntary sexual relations (commonly known as the Romeo and Juliet law), defined as engaging in voluntary sexual intercourse with a child who is 14 years of age but less than 16 years of age and the offender is less than 19 years of age and less than four years of age older than the child and the child and the offender are the only parties involved and are members of the opposite sex. This crime is classified as a severity level 8, person felony.

The outcome of any one of these kinds of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor female whether voluntary or involuntary, could be an unwanted pregnancy for which an abortion is sought from a physician. Because sexual intercourse with any girl under the age of 16 is statutorily defined as "sexual abuse," as a matter of law sexual abuse has occurred. We also reach the conclusion that sexual abuse of a child is inherently injurious, thereby triggering the mandatory reporting requirement.

/www.contracept.org/minorsaccess.php wrote:

West Virginia Miners who are married.

The coal industry must be getting tough.

Flog that Horse again, please just one more time!!

slider wrote:

Flog that Horse again, please just one more time!!

You've flogged yours to the bone for no reason other than spite.

Ratzilla wrote:

In KS legal age of consent is 16. Has been for decades and it's no big secret. I thought I posted the comments from the Kansas AG's office on this. Here it is again.

Unlawful voluntary sexual relations (commonly known as the Romeo and Juliet law), defined as engaging in voluntary sexual intercourse with a child who is 14 years of age but less than 16 years of age and the offender is less than 19 years of age and less than four years of age older than the child and the child and the offender are the only parties involved and are members of the opposite sex. This crime is classified as a severity level 8, person felony.

The outcome of any one of these kinds of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor female whether voluntary or involuntary, could be an unwanted pregnancy for which an abortion is sought from a physician. Because sexual intercourse with any girl under the age of 16 is statutorily defined as "sexual abuse," as a matter of law sexual abuse has occurred. We also reach the conclusion that sexual abuse of a child is inherently injurious, thereby triggering the mandatory reporting requirement.

Just because I got shoes on, doesn't mean Im walking somewhere.

Your rediculous argument got old two pages ago mike.

Question.... Why don't they give a 12 year old a drivers license?

Answer.... Because it's illegal for a 12 year old to drive.

Question.... Why do they give a 12 year old birth control?

Answer.... Because it's legal for a 12 year old to obtain it.

Ratzilla wrote:

Your rediculous argument got old two pages ago mike.

After it came out on top, or do you not understand the questions that were asked?

Just because I aint got no pants on, don't me I aint dancing!

Question to my MY 12 year old... Why would you go get birth control?

Answer from MY 12 year old... So that I could have sex.

To fix your problem, I say we start a petition to create a law lowering the age of consent in the State of Kansas to Birth. Hows that fit you, you perverted sicko. There should be laws that keep people like you off the streets.

What exacally is my problem, mike?

Question to my YOUR 12 year old... Do you need birth control to have sex?

Answer from YOUR 12 year old... GRrrrfffffffppffftttttt!!!! (Spits dick out) No, daddy!

Ratzillas prob you got in between postings.