Arlen Specter to switch to Democratic party

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21798.html


Just when I thought the GOP had hit bottom...




Serves them Republicans right. I've been a big fan of Specter for some time now (even though I disagree with him on several points)... 'cause he's proven time and again that he's willing to think for himself rather than tow the party line. Of course, that doesn't go over well in the GOP, so they decided to run an uber-conservative against Specter in the primary. So he tells 'em to stick it up their ass.

Good times.

Crap, I saw this and thought it was about Phil Spector. I had to reread the title. Anyway, hasn't he been a RINO for some time, now?

Yes, he has- and some in the GOP will say good riddance.

I became a fan of the guy when he stood up to the Bush administration on several occasions, including the illegal wiretaps.

This is what happens when a minority party turns on itself. I still don't expect a full implosion of the Republican Party- but as long as the party is controlled by far-right ideologues, they'll remain the minority party of 'no'. I would think that a party with a 41 seat minority in the Senate would be trying to hold on to every seat... but as usual in the GOP, rigid ideology won out over pragmatism.

Their only hope is that the American electorate's memory is short enough to forget some of their stupidity over the next few years.

this gives the democrats a 60 seat hold if the idiot repub in Minnesota finally gives up and concedes too Franken

It'll happen soon enough whether Coleman concedes or not. The outcome of that race has been obvious for some time now, and IMO, Coleman has been intentionally dragging the whole thing out for the benefit of The Party.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that... it's a good strategery. But it's pretty much played out.

So the Republicans are soon going to be largely ineffective- reduced to cutting deals with stray Democrats. But at least they'll all be True Republicans.

Why worry? Soon there will be a one party system and we'll all be living off the Government dime. No use stressing. It will bother some for awhile, but they will eventually die off. Our kids and grandkids will know no other way of life, so it won't bother them.

Next RINO to watch is McCain- I heard a blurb the other day about some uber-conservative running against him in the primary.

Wouldn't that be a riot...

slickjay12 wrote:

this gives the democrats a 60 seat hold if the idiot repub in Minnesota finally gives up and concedes too Franken

Minnesota should be intensely ashamed. The only time I listened to Franken was in a debate over various Constitutional issues where he made the likes of Schumer, Pelosi, and Hillary look like far rightwingers. Never have I heard anyone trash the Constitution in the name of pushing ultra far leftist liberal socialist garbage like that treasonous slimy gangrenous wart on the ass of a Wichita hooker known as Al Franken.

And that's the nicest things I can think of to say about him.

Pray for our souls now and at the hour of our deaths, Amen.

>Head on desk laffing<. I just love it! Just gonna put my feet up on the desk, have a beer and watch ya all be miserable. god knows I was for 8 years of Bush.

steinem wrote:

>Head on desk laffing<. I just love it! Just gonna put my feet up on the desk, have a beer and watch ya all be miserable. god knows I was for 8 years of Bush.

That's the good ole two party spirit girl. Wish for revenge upon other Americans instead of insisting it be done right. If all you two party muttonheads would become Constitutionalists and "ONLY" vote for the same, there'd be none of this "It's your turn to suffer" crap.

Oh, and welcome back.

Ok, the GOP has come up with a fix for this little problem. They're gonna beat Specter by running the popular moderate, Tom Ridge, against him.

You know... after they ran off Specter- a popular 29-year incumbent... for being a moderate.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0509/Ridge_considering_campaign_against_Specter.html



I just don't know how long the Dems can hold out against these political master-minds.

Ratzilla wrote:

steinem wrote:

>Head on desk laffing<. I just love it! Just gonna put my feet up on the desk, have a beer and watch ya all be miserable. god knows I was for 8 years of Bush.

That's the good ole two party spirit girl. Wish for revenge upon other Americans instead of insisting it be done right. If all you two party muttonheads would become Constitutionalists and "ONLY" vote for the same, there'd be none of this "It's your turn to suffer" crap.

As I have stated before, I'm not pro-Dem but I am definitely anti-GOP. I do consider myself a constitutionalist (or logical centrist) but that too often gets confused with Libertarian which is just another form of Republican.

I can't help but wish for complete implosion of their party and for each and every one of them to be alone in the cold when I listen to 105.7 every day. They are a bunch of angry, contradictory hate mongers that have a grudge against anything and everything just to fill airtime. It's pretty sickening and it serves them right to be stuck in a position of clawing from the bottom. They often begrudge the current administration on policies that they created and more often than not contradict the talking points they are making an attack on. It's sad and entertaining watching them go from hypcritical to audibly suicidal. They try to pad the egos of ignorant callers who share their points of view and attempt to make a mockery out of policies they regularly admit they have no understanding of.

They may not officially represent the Republicans, but they do carry their social flag.

It would be nice if we lived in a fantasy world where we could vote and govern based on logic and leave people mostly to their own devices but we live in a nasty, hateful place that demeans it's own and polarizes it's population into a division so deep that it would take nothing short of a foreign invasion or a true (not media induce hypathon) pandemic to make them hold our modernized, forward thinking, non-theologically based hands.

Their money is old, there politics withered, their social views archaic, their religion expired. They won't go quietly but they will go.

Women can vote.
Black folks can share the same space with white folks.
Women can abort.
Gay folks can get married.

Everything they fight against with their seething hatred and their "protection" of what they view this melting pot of America to be ultimately succeeds. They are a dying breed and rightly so. It's not and never was "their country" it's OUR country, all of ours. The difference is people like me aren't fighting to take away any of their freedoms.

So... I'm going to join you in kicking up my feet and watching them bang their heads against a wall, watch them run in circles and watch them kill themselves by their own hand because it is long overdue and I could use a good laugh while I watch the last of them march their wrinkled, rich white asses off to the gas chambers that their lobbyists built for them.

Rebuild the GOP, yeah, good luck with that.

Saying a libertarian is the same as a republican is rediculous. Republicans may be attempting to look like libertarians and even infiltrating the party, but last I saw there were plenty of things that libertarians stood for that republicans do not.

The libertarians ran a woman for vice president before democrats or republicans, they have nothing against blacks, they are not pro or anti-abortion, nor are they anti-gay. Last I knew a libertarian was the one party that still spoke for everyone as much as is possible. I grant you that watching republicans squirm is comical, but it'd be more comical if I didn't know that the democrats are looking at "Bend over, it's our turn" instead of doing what's right. And in their screw the republicans vendetta those of us who are not republican blockheads will get hosed too just because we aren't leftists.

I also wanted to ask you about this....

BigBadBeast wrote:

The difference is people like me aren't fighting to take away any of their freedoms.

Then why are you applauding and even siding with a party well known for taking away rights? Because of democrats I have to be careful about saying what's on my mind or I might interfere with some bedwetters "supposed" right to never be offended. Because of democrats I have to wonder which gun I own will be the next target of a ban.

Because of democrats I'm not just expected to accept gay marriage. I'm not just supposed to recognize rights of women or minorities, I'm supposed to forfeit my rights to pacify their whiney asses for injustices done to them by someone else I never knew decades or even centuries ago. And I'm considered evil if I don't celebrate the stupidity of it. I could give many more examples of course.

I have as many complaints about far right holier than thou morons as you do, but why do you call yourself a "Centrist" and side with leftist psychopaths flying the other dimwit flag? I honestly can't see anyone who's eager to see democrats take thier juvenile revenge as being a centrist.

In that post I did not align myself with the Dems in any way.
I'm not applauding the democrats (even though I did help vote them into office). There are many things they do that I disagree with.

Each of the points you make have some legitimacy but I'll take advantage of the situation just for the hell of it.

1. I couldn't agree more as I have been found in situations on each end of the barrel with this argument professionally. I have been the investigator and the investigated. However, It is also because of those folks that I can proclaim that I am an atheist and it is becoming more accepted because they have been chipping away at the GOP (God's Only Party) and giving a voice to many folk that didn't have one previously (like blacks, gays, women and us unholy heathens). So I can't be as much of an asshole as I would sometimes like to be, at least I can say what I truly feel is important.

2. Anybody show up at your house to take away your guns yet? Let me know when that happens.

3. Since when did the Democrats or anyone else tie you down to anything and force gayness, blackness or titties on you. (You might not mind the last one so much in a different sense unless you happen to be the first). The thought that you feel are forfeiting any right so that others may share the same exact rights that you have I find absurd.

4. Finally, where did the majority of Libertarians originate? How far did they skew their views away from where they originated? They claim to have a solid agenda for smaller government and greater rights but they are just another steaming pile like the other two. Barr wrote the current legislation banning gay marriage that he is now fighting! Flippity-floppity blah blah blah. The GOP is so beat down that they will continue to "infiltrate" as you say, the Libertarian party when in actuality they are just a bunch of Republicans who have learned to keep their mouths shut when they need to. And when they get their chance to play, which I definitely think they will, the moderate Dems will embolden the Centrist Party and I'll hate those fuckers too.

I do not claim political affiliation. The post I made to garner opinion on The Centrist Party was actually something I googled earlier that day. I have always felt that I had centrist views because I don't agree with roughly half of what each party has to say. The shitty part is that the "base" of the republicans have pretty much destroyed the parts of their party that I did find appealing and now I loathe what they have become. I have voted in many angles for many reasons and all of them were based on thoughful logic and not because I like that person's god, the color of their skin or their celebrity status. About the only shameful voting I have done was to logically deduce the lesser of two evils as opposed to voting for something I truly believed in. It's almost impossible to do that because all the politicians are paid for. They are all self serving money grubbing assholes who could ultimately give a shit about our country. but I'll leave the post with this (theoretical) example of what I feel is going on...

I love my father. He taught me how to ride a bike, how to play baseball and how to fix my truck. He taught me how to shoot a gun. But I'll be a straight up liar if I said it didn't feel good to watch him get taken off in the back of a cop's car after he spent time beating the shit out of my mother and I.

I don't have to be a Democrat to enjoy watching the collapse of a party who has the blood of thousands of my American military brethren pouring over their oil soaked suits. I don't have to be a liberal to enjoy watching every single American enjoy the same rights. I don't have to be a left-winger to know that what the conservative capitalist machine did to the financial infrastructure of the land I served to protect was nothing short of raping the middle class.

We agree more than you may think, because I hold libertarian ideals, I am however an independant. Bob Barr is not the perfect Libertarian. Harry Browne was a great one. Ron Paul is great for a republican and I'd have voted for him over Barr any day.

As to what I've lost. A woman where I work got a kid fired just for watching her walk by. Another said if she ever heard any man make a sexist comment she'd have him fired even if the woman it was said about never heard it. I have to be careful not to tell the wrong woman in the office how attractive she looks. Our calendars at work are censored due to fear that someone might be offended. Yet women can still have their "cute" calendars, coffee cups, etc., emblazoned with witty sayings about the superiority of women over men.

I have worked in two places where they had difficulty firing total fuckwits because the person in question played the race or disability card. If a gay man takes a swing at me and I kick his ass I might be charged with a hate crime where I could get twice the normal sentence. A fire department several years ago was forced to turn down highly qualified applicants for a man with a poor performance record because their black hiring quota had not been filled. Even the black man who got the job said it was wrong. I could go on.... and on.... and on....

As far as guns go, no nothing has been taken "yet". Just future purchases forbidden so far. But I'm sure they said that in Britain and Australia too at one time.