How to stop Kansas from wasting money

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_d6b1aaca-edfc-527f-ad11-f1691fdc6e3b.html

Here is a community that can stand up to the nutty government. We should do likewise.

I think I would do the saem thing if I was called for duty on any amount of pot

I think anyone who considers a law unconstitutional should refuse to sit on a jury. I could not send someone to jail for simple pot use. If they'd legalize growing for personal use only there'd be no need for illegal trafficking in it, which would be a big kick in the nuts to the Mexican drug cartels. The hybrid seeds available nowdays make it possible for even growers in Northern states to grow weed that puts most import to shame.

we've far too many eps in this state.... cowardly men are the wrack and ruin of decent men... moralizing, sanctimonious, and self righteous... hollow...

Ratzilla wrote:

If they'd legalize growing for personal use only there'd be no need for illegal trafficking in it, which would be a big kick in the nuts to the Mexican drug cartels. The hybrid seeds available nowdays make it possible for even growers in Northern states to grow weed that puts most import to shame.

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it. Then the cops could worry about the real problems in society, such as pirates who steal boats that don't float.

The Other One wrote:

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it.

Like cigarettes and alcohol? So the taxes can go through the roof while government increasingly forbids it's use all over again?

I think homegrowing of small amounts shouldn't be regulated any more than a backyard crop of carrots. The government being involved should only happen if they decide to allow imports, and then only to guarantee product quality and safety. You never know when a crop duster full of DEA provided toxin will be spraying their crap in a country they have no business being in.

Ratzilla wrote:

The Other One wrote:

Legalize it. Regulate it. Tax it.

Like cigarettes and alcohol? So the taxes can go through the roof while government increasingly forbids it's use all over again?

I think homegrowing of small amounts shouldn't be regulated any more than a backyard crop of carrots. The government being involved should only happen if they decide to allow imports, and then only to guarantee product quality and safety. You never know when a crop duster full of DEA provided toxin will be spraying their crap in a country they have no business being in.

our government can't even keep up with problems with our food quality and toy safety. what makes you think they could handle more "quality control"? at least the taxes would offset the costs of quality testing.....that is if the politicians didn't divert the money to pork barrel spending to buy votes at election time

The State of Kansas and most other states probably have a grain inspection department. Anyone can pay to have a sampe done, but it is most often done when grain is moved from a country elevator to a terminal. The terminals pay for the sampling and inspection. Last I knew, the department was entirely self supporting and required no tax dollars.

The post office is supposed to operate in a similar way.

Not every government service has to take out of the general til. A government function can be paid for by the persons it serves.

They want to put a "sin tax" on pot, similar to that on alcohol and cigarettes. It is meant to offset everyone's tax liability and generally is a regressive scheme as it benefits the rich much more than the poor. I'm guessing the fat boys don't want pot legal because it makes people a little more content and not as hard charging. So they are, in addition to being more peaceable and happier, also somewhat less effective work units. Which is bad for fat boy profits. So, they want us to offset their losses in the form of sin taxes.

I think we should allow ourselves able to grow the stuff with our tomatoes and sell up to a hundred pounds or so to coops. The coops would have to pay to have it graded and inspected.

As far as inspection goes, I was just pointing out that herbicides are used on alot of foreign weed thanks to our own government. And they know where. Other nations also have less rigid pesticide use allowing it to be used dangerously close to harvest, or in forms we've long since banned. That, and someone making sure that import came from reliable sources was what I meant.

But in reality the Holland seed market, (and Canadian if it still exists) could expand and eventually provide enough super hybrid seed to the homegrower as to make importing most varieties pointless. I had heard Canada was planning a crackdown on it's seed companies but no idea if they did. I also saw on one TV documentary that weed is the number one cash crop now, which I'm sure has some politicians seeing big tax dollars. And yes, they would likely waste it on pork.

If it was home grown and sold in coops, the stuff would go for about $50 a pound.

Not if the government taxes it. They'd likely slap on about $100 per ounce in taxes.

They will if we let them

Rog wrote:

They will if we let them

LOL.... Trying to get the American public to stand up to the politicians is like pulling elephant teeth with tweezers. I've been trying to get that done for years but all I ever hear is how some "new" republican or democrat they are going to vote in will be different.

If I can only convince 5% of my friends and family to vote for something truly new then getting everyone to actually follow through with their demands to politicians will be about as successful.

To borrow a term, every election cycle both democrats and republicans swallow the swill produced by their new "messiah" only to find out they elected yet another lying sack of crap.

True the political process here seems impossible. But we still have a jury system. If they can't convict anyone of a marijuana crime they will eventually give up. That means 1/12 of the population can foil their evil plans by showing up with their jury summons and hope for a marijuana case. They can either lie and say they'll convict for a pot offense and get on the jury and then refuse to vote guilty, or just do like they did in Montana and say they won't convict for a marijuana offense.

They can't throw you in jail for doing this. It is called jury nullification. Defense lawyers are prohibited by the court from telling jurors they have the right to do it, but the right exists.

Education is the key. Go forth and spread the word.

My LOL comment was referring to your reply here..

Rog wrote:

If it was home grown and sold in coops, the stuff would go for about $50 a pound.

Ratzilla wrote:

Not if the government taxes it. They'd likely slap on about $100 per ounce in taxes.

Rog wrote:

They will if we let them.

The juror idea might be good for eventually making legalization happen, but it wouldn't stop the government from taxing it so hard that it'd go back to illegal trading to make it affordable. And so far complaints of high taxes have never gotten us very far with government. Just like with excessive cigarette taxes you'd never get a broad enough public revolt on weed taxes to stop them.

Your idea on a state office to inspect weed for a fee would make sense, but keeping that cheap and honest might be hard too. They might try to tell everyone their weed had some dangerous mold on it to try and get you to destroy it and charge you out the backside for the information. They might try to pull that with imports too. Sieze it on the grounds it's tainted and then sell it to medical weed programs, or worse yet, dump a 1000 pounds of Acapulco Gold in an incinerator. Now if there was a privately owned lab offered by a sympathetic source for testing it might work.

If you can grow your own, how are they going to tax it?

If they get any crazier on cigarette taxes, I would imagine people will start growing tobacco. My understanding is that it is legal to do so, and you can grow it in Kansas.

Pipe tobacco in rollies is still an option. About $1 a pack that way.

Rog wrote:

If you can grow your own, how are they going to tax it?

If they get any crazier on cigarette taxes, I would imagine people will start growing tobacco. My understanding is that it is legal to do so, and you can grow it in Kansas.

Pipe tobacco in rollies is still an option. About $1 a pack that way.

If you grew weed at home and sold it in a co-op they could tax you. Unless you mean like a flea market or roadside stand. I was picturing the farmers Co-op type business.

I've thought of pipe tobacco. I smoke an old corn cob full of Velvet ot Prince Albert now and then. Just not as handy and I get tired of it after while and light up a Marlboro.

pipe tobacco not like cigarette tobacco for some reason... kinda like ditch weed... puff puff nothin... even rolled... smoke factory roll and sweet sweet release.... all your ep's (annoyances) gone... thank god it'll kill me....

Yeah, the pipe tobacco just doesn't satisfy. They must put better stuff in them cigarettes to hook us harder.