ACORN - How will they weasel out of this one?

Hidden camera footage of ACORN workers informing a "prostitute" on how to work around the system.

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bunch of lying bastards.....

The people from ACORN probably feel like the bad guys at the end of Scooby Doo cartoons: "And we could've gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!"

It sounds like the filmmaker might be charged for some crime and nothing is being said about any actions against acorn

LukeTHr wrote:

It sounds like the filmmaker might be charged for some crime and nothing is being said about any actions against acorn

Wouldn't you like to see any charges they come up with put before a jury?

The Census Bureau has notified ACORN that their contract is cancelled. ACORN is also scheduled to receive 8 billion dollars in stimulous funds - you know, the expenditure that the Dems said wasn't in the bill. Hopefully that will go away. But a further investigation into corruption in ACORN is clearly warranted. Doubtful it happens, though.

They'll have a beer at the White House, instead.

I don't have much opinion on ACORN. Strikes me as the latest boogey-man to be conjured up for political rhetoric.

I've no doubt that they're corrupt in a sense- mostly because they employ quite a few low-wage losers who are bound to do stupid shit. And Obama provided them some legal representation several years back.

I guess the argument boils down to guilt by association. Not sure why I should care.

The Other One wrote:

LukeTHr wrote:

It sounds like the filmmaker might be charged for some crime and nothing is being said about any actions against acorn

Wouldn't you like to see any charges they come up with put before a jury?

The Census Bureau has notified ACORN that their contract is cancelled. ACORN is also scheduled to receive 8 billion dollars in stimulous funds - you know, the expenditure that the Dems said wasn't in the bill. Hopefully that will go away. But a further investigation into corruption in ACORN is clearly warranted. Doubtful it happens, though.

I know you're not interested in the truth or anything, EP. But here's some more details on that particular claim if anybody is interested. Is simply ain't true... took me about 90 seconds of googling and reading to figger that out.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/21/michele-bachmann/bachmann-claims-acorn-has-access-85-billion-federa/

Bighead wrote:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/21/michele-bachmann/bachmann-claims-acorn-has-access-85-billion-federa/

Bighead wrote:

I don't have much opinion on ACORN. Strikes me as the latest boogey-man to be conjured up for political rhetoric.

I've no doubt that they're corrupt in a sense- mostly because they employ quite a few low-wage losers who are bound to do stupid shit. And Obama provided them some legal representation several years back.

I guess the argument boils down to guilt by association. Not sure why I should care.

The Other One wrote:

LukeTHr wrote:

It sounds like the filmmaker might be charged for some crime and nothing is being said about any actions against acorn

Wouldn't you like to see any charges they come up with put before a jury?

The Census Bureau has notified ACORN that their contract is cancelled. ACORN is also scheduled to receive 8 billion dollars in stimulous funds - you know, the expenditure that the Dems said wasn't in the bill. Hopefully that will go away. But a further investigation into corruption in ACORN is clearly warranted. Doubtful it happens, though.

I know you're not interested in the truth or anything, EP. But here's some more details on that particular claim if anybody is interested. Is simply ain't true... took me about 90 seconds of googling and reading to figger that out.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/21/michele-bachmann/bachmann-claims-acorn-has-access-85-billion-federa/

Take a look at all the sub-organizations of ACORN that are receiving stimulus money that will be funneled back to the two community organizer brothers who started ACORN and the SEIU. It'll take you more than 90 seconds. There's about 400 of them. A brief summary of ACORN can be found here.

discoverthenetworks.com wrote:

“Ironically, ACORN and its affiliates, all reliable cheerleaders for higher taxes, are longtime tax deadbeats. A search of public records found more than 200 federal, state, and local tax liens adding up to more than $3.7 million that are associated with groups that share ACORN’s address on Elysian Fields Avenue in New Orleans…. It is unclear what kinds of taxes ACORN and its affiliates failed to pay, but because almost all ACORN affiliates are exempted from paying most or all taxes, it seems likely that the liens were issued for non-payment of employees’ payroll taxes. If so, this would be ironic because payroll taxes fund the social and wealth-distribution programs that ACORN so staunchly supports.”

And the St. Petersburg Times is about as reliable as CNN, who brought you the breaking coverage of the terrorist attack Coast Guard training exercise on the Potomac River near the Pentagon last Friday.

I don't see anything close to 8 billion at that link. Yeah, they may be tax evaders, corrupt dickheads... whatever the latest talking point is. Don't know/don't care. I'm only disputing the 8 billion claim.

Now I know this isn't the way you operate... but standard debate etiquette requires that he who made the claim prove it- or at least make some ATTEMPT to back it up. Otherwise you have about as much credibility as Sarah Palin. Your link didn't even address the claim- let alone convince me.

So kindly distill this down into something believable that I can take in in about 90 seconds ('cause that's about all the interest I have in the matter). Otherwise I'm just going to have to assume that (as usual) you're parroting talk-show talking points.

Read article here.

excerpt:

At least $53 million in federal funds have gone to ACORN activists since 1994, and the controversial group could get up to $8.5 billion more tax dollars despite being under investigation for voter registration fraud in a dozen states.

The economic stimulus bill enacted in February contains $3 billion that the non-profit activist group known more formally as the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now could receive, and 2010 federal budget contains another $5.5 billion that could also find its way into the group’s coffers.

Yes, and the politifact.com article that I posted clarified all that. The key word in your post is 'COULD'... which is a stretch. "Eligible" is a more correct word (used by Bachmann)- and even that carries connotations that are simply not true.

As I understand it, there are roughly 8.5 billion of assorted funds out there that ACORN & affiliates can (like hundreds of other organizations) apply for*. Doesn't mean that they ARE applying for said funds, nor does it mean that they will be approved. And they CERTAINLY aren't "scheduled to recieve" 8 billion dollars, as EP put it.




*these assorted funds were mostly available long before the stimulus... and long before Obama was elected.




I know ya'll don't WANT to believe it- but ACORN is just the latest boogey-man conjured up by the talk-show party. Yeah, they may be corrupt, may be incompetent, may advocate for silly leftist ideals... but they are not the gargantuan axis of evil that EP's idols are claiming them to be. Hell, MOST of the corruption cited has been just a function of incompetence/laziness by disinterested temporary or poorly paid employees. You can't point to ANYTHING on the same order of magnitude as this INVENTED '8 billion' claim.

Bighead wrote:

Yes, and the politifact.com article that I posted clarified all that. The key word in your post is 'COULD'... which is a stretch. "Eligible" is a more correct word (used by Bachmann)- and even that carries connotations that are simply not true.

As I understand it, there are roughly 8.5 billion of assorted funds out there that ACORN & affiliates can (like hundreds of other organizations) apply for*. Doesn't mean that they ARE applying for said funds, nor does it mean that they will be approved. And they CERTAINLY aren't "scheduled to recieve" 8 billion dollars, as EP put it.




*these assorted funds were mostly available long before the stimulus... and long before Obama was elected.




I know ya'll don't WANT to believe it- but ACORN is just the latest boogey-man conjured up by the talk-show party. Yeah, they may be corrupt, may be incompetent, may advocate for silly leftist ideals... but they are not the gargantuan axis of evil that EP's idols are claiming them to be. Hell, MOST of the corruption cited has been just a function of incompetence/laziness by disinterested temporary or poorly paid employees. You can't point to ANYTHING on the same order of magnitude as this INVENTED '8 billion' claim.

The Senate voted 83-7 today to cut off all funding for ACORN coming from the housing bill. There are seven complete douchebags in the US Senate, including both of the clowns from Illinois.

Uh huh. Still does nothing to prove your claim. Only proves that talk-show politiks have been fairly successful lately.

I mean for fuckk's sake- they pulled the end of life counseling provision from one of the healthcare bills the other day. And anybody with an IQ above 80 KNOWS that the talk-show claims about that provision were complete fabrications.

This is an honest question EP. I know I've made accusations to this effect, but I'm just plainly asking you: Are you actually interested in the truth of these assorted talking points? Or is the more like a football game- just rooting for the team- truth and merit be damned?

'Cause the information is readily available- plain as day in most cases.

Bighead wrote:

'Cause the information is readily available- plain as day in most cases.

Bighead wrote:

'Cause the information is readily available- plain as day in most cases.

Yeah, like on the videotape when the ACORN worker tells the "hooker" that the underage illegals that will be living with her and working as prostitutes can be claimed as dependents. And you're fine with your tax dollars being used to fund things like that?

The Other One wrote:

Bighead wrote:

'Cause the information is readily available- plain as day in most cases.

Yeah, like on the videotape when the ACORN worker tells the "hooker" that the underage illegals that will be living with her and working as prostitutes can be claimed as dependents. And you're fine with your tax dollars being used to fund things like that?

As long as it doesn't go to "jack-booted thugs" and "brown people killers", who cares? Right, Bighead? I mean, come on, the Government has such a clean record of making sure no money goes to where it shouldn't. Right?

The Other One wrote:

Bighead wrote:

'Cause the information is readily available- plain as day in most cases.

Yeah, like on the videotape when the ACORN worker tells the "hooker" that the underage illegals that will be living with her and working as prostitutes can be claimed as dependents. And you're fine with your tax dollars being used to fund things like that?

I never said anything of the sort... in fact I acknowledged that there's plenty of small-time corruption in the organization. And at least one case of big-time corruption that I'm aware of.

But the claim that I have disputed- and that you have REPEATEDLY failed to even attempt to support- is your claim that ACORN is "scheduled to receive 8 billion dollars". It's simply not true. Never was true. And it really has nothing to do with the 'hooker' thing.

Really, your position on the matter seems to boil down to nothing more specific than ACORN IS BAD!!! And while I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you there- reality just ain't THAT simple. And it doesn't mean that every accusation that Glen Beck and Sean Hannity come up with is necessarily true.

I mean for fuckk's sake- EIGHT FUCKKING BILLION DOLLARS??. You really have no critical thinking skills, do you?

I forgot. If facts come from people you don't like, they're not facts. Sorry, Bignose. I won't let that slip my feeble mind again.

By the way, I watched Olbermann last night - on Football Night in America. Reminded me of why ESPN and Fox Sports weren't upset that he left, and why his ratings on MSLSD are in the toilet. He sucks.

Goddamn it EP- I've posted a story that spells out plain as day where your "sceduled to recieve 8 billion" claim comes from and why it's only half a step above complete fabrication. You've yet to post ANYTHING that refutes it or even attempts to back up your 8 BILLION claim.

All you've posted since then is some whining about ACORN's assorted (relatively) small-time corruption... none of which I've disputed. Mostly because it has NOTHING to do with your '8 billion' claim.

And you're accusing ME of being selective about which 'facts' I'm willing to believe? What's so hard to understand about this?

Bighead wrote:

Goddamn it EP- I've posted a story that spells out plain as day where your "sceduled to recieve 8 billion" claim comes from and why it's only half a step above complete fabrication. You've yet to post ANYTHING that refutes it or even attempts to back up your 8 BILLION claim.

All you've posted since then is some whining about ACORN's assorted (relatively) small-time corruption... none of which I've disputed. Mostly because it has NOTHING to do with your '8 billion' claim.

And you're accusing ME of being selective about which 'facts' I'm willing to believe? What's so hard to understand about this?

Okay, a matter of semantics. They are, or were, "eligibile" to receive that money. And they've already taken at least $53 million in taxpayer money. And if you want to call what they're doing small-time, go ahead. What you're saying is that if we can only prove one murder against a serial killer who has murdered a hundred people, we should just ignore it because he's a small-time killer. ACORN is only one example of the systematic corruption that goes on in Washington. If you want to defend them, that's up to you. Hope you have a ton of excuses ready to use for them.

I've never defended anything about ACORN other than to point out that your "scheduled to receive 8 billion" claim is nonsense. And it's far more than a matter of semantics- as I've repeatedly and clearly pointed out.

Hell, I'm eligible to apply for multiple goverment programs- the funding of which likely totals hundreds of millions of dollars- if not billions. Does that mean that I, Bighead, am scheduled to receive billions of dollars?? No, it doesn't. And it'd be a complete fabrication to claim that I am.

And yeah, 53 million is less than 1% of the '8 billion' lie that you and others have thrown around. So while I'm no big fan of the organization, and will readily acknowledge both corruption and incompetence on their part- I think this whole argument demonstrates pretty clearly how people like you and your talk-show puppet-masters are making a mountain out of a mole-hill. Not only are Obama's ties to the group limited and several years past- but ya'll are WILDLY exaggerating both the scale and intent of the corruption in question... as well as the size and taxpayer funding of the organization.

Like I said- it's the latest conjured-up boogey-man. There's very little real substance to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over ACORN.

Thanks for your convoluded opinion, Mr. Olbermann.

Ok, please point out where I'm wrong.

I know it's a little complicated. One might even say 'nuanced'. It certainly requires a little more comprehension than your opinion, which amounts to "ACORN IS BADD!!!!!!"

I suppose that for some folks, any opinion that goes beyond good/bad; black/white is "convoluted". That would explain your support for Bush.

Bighead wrote:

Ok, please point out where I'm wrong.

I know it's a little complicated. One might even say 'nuanced'. It certainly requires a little more comprehension than your opinion, which amounts to "ACORN IS BADD!!!!!!"

I suppose that for some folks, any opinion that goes beyond good/bad; black/white is "convoluted". That would explain your support for Bush.

I told you to dig into the sub-organizations of ACORN, since you fancy yourself as Mr. Research. Once you do that, tell me that it isn't a criminal organization that should be having its leaders prosecuted instead of invited to the White House.

You're making the claim. Please cite some sources**. Otherwise I ain't interested.







**Glenn Beck doesn't count as a credible source.

Glenn Beck is an ass-clown. If you can't find a better source than him, then I'd have serious doubts about any claim you're making.

Thought I'd see if there was any good here.

Score Bighead kicked your ass EP.

He likes it when I do that. Otherwise he wouldn't keep coming back.

Hannity upped to $8.5 Trillion last night!

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Hannity upped to $8.5 Trillion last night!

I looked that up. He mis-spoke, then corrected himself later.

I don't really care how much the money is. The amount of taxpayer dollars that ACORN receives should add up to exactly zero. The Bush administration bears some responsibility for this, too. They funded ACORN to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, too. Not to mention the taxpayer money that ACORN receives from 50 of the 57 states. Minnesota has cut them off. The rest should do so, also.

The Other One wrote:

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Hannity upped to $8.5 Trillion last night!

I looked that up. He mis-spoke, then corrected himself later.

I know. Was just funny.

The Other One wrote:

I don't really care how much the money is. The amount of taxpayer dollars that ACORN receives should add up to exactly zero. The Bush administration bears some responsibility for this, too. They funded ACORN to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, too. Not to mention the taxpayer money that ACORN receives from 50 of the 57 states. Minnesota has cut them off. The rest should do so, also.

WORD!

57 States Quote

Obama: "Over the last fifteen months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states, I think — one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to … my staff could not justify it."

slider wrote:

Wow, somebody must have not stayed away from the "Brown Acid" in High School! How many states are there in the United States anyway, last time I looked at a map there were only 50, where did the other seven come from?

Justoo wrote:

57 States Quote

Obama: "Over the last fifteen months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states, I think — one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to … my staff could not justify it."

That was a little sarcasm about mis-speaking, but it looks like there are 58 states and Alaska and Hawaii is one state. Must be like Trinidad and Tobago being one country.

Where did you say you used to work, slider? HDN?

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no kansas dollars went for this, likely other states don't fund them either... 50 states... 50 kinds of bs.... good grief... halliburton has defrauded us of millions... killed and raped children in our name... bush cheated and stole an election and now you ass clowns are up in arms...? how frickin embarrassing for you... shame on you....shame on all of you that said nothing til now...

robert wrote:

no kansas dollars went for this, likely other states don't fund them either... 50 states... 50 kinds of bs.... good grief... halliburton has defrauded us of millions... killed and raped children in our name... bush cheated and stole an election and now you ass clowns are up in arms...? how frickin embarrassing for you... shame on you....shame on all of you that said nothing til now...

Show us a video of Halliburton employees doing the things you say. Show some proof that Bush stole an election. What more proof that they don't deserve ANY public funding do you need than multiple videos from different offices.

And now we have news that Dale Rathke, former employee of ACORN and brother of the founder, didn't embezzle $948,000 as was previously reported. It was closer to five million dollars.

You should be embarassed that you're still supporting them. But then again, that's what your far-left masters tell you to do. bobby is a good lemming.

There are lots of words that could be used to describe robert. Lemming is NOT one I'd choose. Would fit slider, though.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

There are lots of words that could be used to describe robert. Lemming is NOT one I'd choose. Would fit slider, though.

How else would you describe their parroting of the far-left talking points, day in and day out?

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parroting...talking points

Pot: Kettle.

Robert is correct that Halliburton hosed us for millions. The Pentagon complained that they were charging double for gasoline and services in Iraq. It was in the news, but GW said very little about it and Cheney just stayed quiet and counted the profits on the 10 million he had in Halliburton stock.

Ratzilla wrote:

Robert is correct that Halliburton hosed us for millions.

And about the killing/raping of children?

If you're not aware of what Stony is talking about, and if you're not willing to do a quick Google on the matter... then there's really no point in discussing it with you.

Bighead wrote:

If you're not aware of what Stony is talking about, and if you're not willing to do a quick Google on the matter... then there's really no point in discussing it with you.

This is why Stone is not a lemming. Independent thinking. It's what separates the likes of himself and Bighead from the likes of slider.

Bighead wrote:

If you're not aware of what Stony is talking about, and if you're not willing to do a quick Google on the matter... then there's really no point in discussing it with you.

Gee, Bignose, I did that. The only thing that came up was about Halliburton employees allegedly raping a co-worker. Hardly raping and killing children, as stonedbobby said. And they are going to be prosecuted by the Justice Dept. The same Justice Dept. that is more than willing to look the other way at all of ACORN's fraud and abuse. Double standard?

nitromaxx98 wrote:

This is why Stone is not a lemming. Independent thinking. It's what separates the likes of himself and Bighead from the likes of slider.

Independent? Yeah, right. The far-left blogs have been chanting the same rants against Halliburton and any other American contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan since the wars started. He's about as independent as Nancy P. Lousy.