The $100 bill

It is a slow day in the small Saskatchewan town of Pumphandle and streets are deserted.

Times are tough, everybody is in debt and living on credit.

A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.

As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.

The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.

The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.

The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.

No one produced anything.

No one earned anything...
However, the whole town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a "stimulus package” works.
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That'd be an improvement over our stimulus. In ours the elite get millions, buy a new yacht or have a big party and aside from a small few that are affected no one notices anything happened because the elite kept raising prices, and government took the bill out of our taxes and 99% of us only got screwed as they partied.

Ratzilla wrote:

That'd be an improvement over our stimulus. In ours the elite get millions, buy a new yacht or have a big party and aside from a small few that are affected no one notices anything happened because the elite kept raising prices, and government took the bill out of our taxes and 99% of us only got screwed as they partied.

The flip side:

Taxes on the yacht buyer are increased. He cancels his order for the yacht. The Yacht dealer has to lay off two salesmen and cancels orders from the manufacturers.

The manufacturer sees his sales decrease so he lays off salesmen, designers, engineers, chandlers, sail makers, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, plastic molders etc.

They all go on unemployment so the government has to raise taxes again to pay for all the new unemployment benefits.

So you figure most of the nation living paycheck to paycheck with high taxes so the guy who can actually afford the taxes can have breaks and subsidies won't fire them is the good way to go huh. Amazing.....

Care to make a point?

A democracy can continue to exist until such time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

~ often attributed to Alexander Tytler. (SSometimes speeled Tyler.)

We are nearing that point, as have socialist countries in Europe; Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.

The problem is the expectation of handouts has become the way of individuals from the very poor to the very rich. But those of us who don't ask for handouts get sick of paying for theirs regardless of their financial status.

It's Not Fair!!!

I'd like to have put you in a room full of laid off AIG employees when they learned how the execs partied on corporate bailout money and watched you tell them that's what makes America great.

Ratzilla wrote:

I'd like to have put you in a room full of laid off AIG employees when they learned how the execs partied on corporate bailout money and watched you tell them that's what makes America great.

Or perhaps put you in a room full of taxpayers when they learned they had to bail out the unions obscene pension funds.

What makes you think I'd like bailing out unions any better? Is there some deranged rule that says you can't hate stupidity on both sides of the fence?

I am a taxpayer and I'd just as soon not bail out either.

Oh and here's a shocker for those of you who think you know what I'm all about. Years ago when the factory I worked in voted on bringing in a union, I voted against it and would again.

Boy, this has sure turned contentious for a thread that started with a joke.

Puppy wrote:

Care to make a point?

A democracy can continue to exist until such time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

~ often attributed to Alexander Tytler. (SSometimes speeled Tyler.)

We are nearing that point, as have socialist countries in Europe; Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.

now we have the voters electing the guys that give out the most freebies and the rich guys buying tax breaks..... it just doesn't get any better than this.

LukeTHr wrote:

Puppy wrote:

Care to make a point?

A democracy can continue to exist until such time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

~ often attributed to Alexander Tytler. (SSometimes speeled Tyler.)

We are nearing that point, as have socialist countries in Europe; Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.

now we have the voters electing the guys that give out the most freebies and the rich guys buying tax breaks..... it just doesn't get any better than this.

Still the concentration only on those who creae jobs.

Why no mention of the unions buying off Obama?

Do away with ALL government largesse for payoffs!

Those who create jobs pay the money. Those who do the jobs create the money for them to pay.

Why the two sides can't see each others importance and work for the benefit of both is possibly the most idiotic thing of the modern age next to dying for your religion.

Ratzilla wrote:

Those who create jobs pay the money. Those who do the jobs create the money for them to pay.

Why the two sides can't see each others importance and work for the benefit of both is possibly the most idiotic thing of the modern age next to dying for your religion.

In most places, they do see the importance of each other. Except, apparently, any place that would hire you.

The Other One wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Those who create jobs pay the money. Those who do the jobs create the money for them to pay.

Why the two sides can't see each others importance and work for the benefit of both is possibly the most idiotic thing of the modern age next to dying for your religion.

In most places, they do see the importance of each other. Except, apparently, any place that would hire you.

Maybe you should research somewhere besides Fox News and conservative talk show hosts. Companies all over the nation have been laying off and cutting benefits while their execs and star players have gotten rediculous raises.

And don't look to Limbaugh for guidance because while his employer was struggling laying off almost 3000 employees and cutting matching funds out of 401K that pompous bastard was given a 40% raise including a 100 million dollar bonus. Yeah EP, everything is just wonderful so long as you kiss the right asses.

Ratzilla wrote:

The Other One wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Those who create jobs pay the money. Those who do the jobs create the money for them to pay.

Why the two sides can't see each others importance and work for the benefit of both is possibly the most idiotic thing of the modern age next to dying for your religion.

In most places, they do see the importance of each other. Except, apparently, any place that would hire you.

Maybe you should research somewhere besides Fox News and conservative talk show hosts. Companies all over the nation have been laying off and cutting benefits while their execs and star players have gotten rediculous raises.

And don't look to Limbaugh for guidance because while his employer was struggling laying off almost 3000 employees and cutting matching funds out of 401K that pompous bastard was given a 40% raise including a 100 million dollar bonus. Yeah EP, everything is just wonderful so long as you kiss the right asses.

Nope. I'm just speaking from personal experience.

So am I EP. And I'm speaking of many many others experiences too. You didn't like the corporate bailouts either. And unless you've been in a cave the last 20 years I'm sure you must have heard of at least some of the numerous companies downsizing and then giving fat raises to the execs. So why is it hatred of the rich if I say it? But hell, I hear republicans blaming Obama for the bailouts yet they never blame Bush. And democrats do just the reverse, so I'm not sure why I bother asking.

Ratzilla wrote:

And don't look to Limbaugh for guidance because while his employer was struggling laying off almost 3000 employees and cutting matching funds out of 401K that pompous bastard was given a 40% raise including a 100 million dollar bonus. Yeah EP, everything is just wonderful so long as you kiss the right asses.

Which employer is that?

SciFi wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

And don't look to Limbaugh for guidance because while his employer was struggling laying off almost 3000 employees and cutting matching funds out of 401K that pompous bastard was given a 40% raise including a 100 million dollar bonus. Yeah EP, everything is just wonderful so long as you kiss the right asses.

Which employer is that?

It was always my understanding that he worked for himself and was contracted by the syndicator. I don't really know. I don't listen to Limbaugh. Some of us work. It doesn't matter, anyway. It's a private company. They can do what they want, at least until those of Ratzo's and Oblahblah's ilk vote in people who will nationalize every industry.

Ratzilla wrote:

So am I EP. And I'm speaking of many many others experiences too. You didn't like the corporate bailouts either. And unless you've been in a cave the last 20 years I'm sure you must have heard of at least some of the numerous companies downsizing and then giving fat raises to the execs. So why is it hatred of the rich if I say it? But hell, I hear republicans blaming Obama for the bailouts yet they never blame Bush. And democrats do just the reverse, so I'm not sure why I bother asking.

I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal consevative and you are very, VERY wrong when you say we did not criticize Bush.

We certaily did and Obam increased Bush's stupid bailouts 3 fole.

SciFi wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

And don't look to Limbaugh for guidance because while his employer was struggling laying off almost 3000 employees and cutting matching funds out of 401K that pompous bastard was given a 40% raise including a 100 million dollar bonus. Yeah EP, everything is just wonderful so long as you kiss the right asses.

Which employer is that?

Clear Channel Communications. The deal was for 400 million over 8 years second in radio only to Howard Stearns 500 million dollar deal with Sirius, which was also an incredible sum for another bag of wind. The ironic thing was 400 million Rush got was just about what they gained by booting around 2800 other employees.

The Other One wrote:

It's a private company. They can do what they want, at least until those of Ratzo's and Oblahblah's ilk vote in people who will nationalize every industry.

Once again you have a fine case of rectal cranial inversion and a complete lack of knowledge of what I'm about. I agree completely that it's Clear Channel Communications decision who they hire and for how much. But I also find Limbaugh a hypocritical pig that once said "If people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up." But he didn't agree with that when he was caught buying narcotics illegally. I'd have fired his ass on the spot for his hypocrisy.

Had I been one of the republican hierarchy I'd have insisted this two faced slob be blackballed from the conservative ranks. But instead this bloated hypocrite gets a huge raise at the expense of 2800 other jobs so he can continue to be the favorite propaganda minister of conservatives. This alone tells me conservatives have serious reality issues.

Puppy wrote:

I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal consevative and you are very, VERY wrong when you say we did not criticize Bush.

We certaily did and Obam increased Bush's stupid bailouts 3 fole.

I wasn't speaking of all republicans, or independant conservatives. I was speaking of Bush supporters who refused to acknowledge his stupidiy but rushed in to blame Obama for everything wrong in the country. I didn't vote for either one of them so at least my conscience is clear.

Ratzilla wrote:

Had I been one of the republican hierarchy I'd have insisted this two faced slob be blackballed from the conservative ranks. But instead this bloated hypocrite gets a huge raise at the expense of 2800 other jobs so he can continue to be the favorite propaganda minister of conservatives. This alone tells me conservatives have serious reality issues.

The Limbaugh CONTRACT was inked in early July 2008. CCC started it's lay-offs in January 2009 with 1850 and laid off an estimated 1000 more by May 2009. Approximately 12% of their employee workforce. When I was laid-off in 2009, my employer dropped 100% of their employee workforce. Both owners had taken a vacation 6 months prior because they could afford it. A lot changed in 6 months at that time.

They aren't rich. Do you hate them too?

Because, I don't. I understand economics and contractual obligations.

Ratzilla wrote:

Puppy wrote:

I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal consevative and you are very, VERY wrong when you say we did not criticize Bush.

We certaily did and Obam increased Bush's stupid bailouts 3 fole.

I wasn't speaking of all republicans, or independant conservatives. I was speaking of Bush supporters who refused to acknowledge his stupidiy but rushed in to blame Obama for everything wrong in the country. I didn't vote for either one of them so at least my conscience is clear.

I dd not vote for either of them either.

They both suck.

But without question if Obama and Bush were running against each other I would vote for Bush. The lesser of two evils may still be evil but at least Bush wasn't deliberately trying to destroy the west.

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Had I been one of the republican hierarchy I'd have insisted this two faced slob be blackballed from the conservative ranks. But instead this bloated hypocrite gets a huge raise at the expense of 2800 other jobs so he can continue to be the favorite propaganda minister of conservatives. This alone tells me conservatives have serious reality issues.

The Limbaugh CONTRACT was inked in early July 2008. CCC started it's lay-offs in January 2009 with 1850 and laid off an estimated 1000 more by May 2009. Approximately 12% of their employee workforce. When I was laid-off in 2009, my employer dropped 100% of their employee workforce. Both owners had taken a vacation 6 months prior because they could afford it. A lot changed in 6 months at that time.

They aren't rich. Do you hate them too?

Because, I don't. I understand economics and contractual obligations.

When was Limbaugh found guilty of buying drugs illegally? About 2003. Yes, it was well before this contract. With that I ask you this. Did your employer lay off all of it's workforce within months of giving a $400 Million contract to a conservative talk show host who had said back in the mid 1990's that illegal drug users deserved to be locked up?

Did your employer or any employee get to keep every penny of a $400 million contract while 2800 others were axed to cover the company's ass? And most importantly, did your employer lay off all of their employees within months of awarding a $400 million contract to a pompous hypocrite guilty of a crime his very own show preached against in a market that had already been unstable?

Your comparison is absurd nitro.

Ratzilla wrote:

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Had I been one of the republican hierarchy I'd have insisted this two faced slob be blackballed from the conservative ranks. But instead this bloated hypocrite gets a huge raise at the expense of 2800 other jobs so he can continue to be the favorite propaganda minister of conservatives. This alone tells me conservatives have serious reality issues.

The Limbaugh CONTRACT was inked in early July 2008. CCC started it's lay-offs in January 2009 with 1850 and laid off an estimated 1000 more by May 2009. Approximately 12% of their employee workforce. When I was laid-off in 2009, my employer dropped 100% of their employee workforce. Both owners had taken a vacation 6 months prior because they could afford it. A lot changed in 6 months at that time.

They aren't rich. Do you hate them too?

Because, I don't. I understand economics and contractual obligations.

When was Limbaugh found guilty of buying drugs illegally? About 2003. Yes, it was well before this contract. With that I ask you this. Did your employer lay off all of it's workforce within months of giving a $400 Million contract to a conservative talk show host who had said back in the mid 1990's that illegal drug users deserved to be locked up?

Did your employer or any employee get to keep every penny of a $400 million contract while 2800 others were axed to cover the company's ass? And most importantly, did your employer lay off all of their employees within months of awarding a $400 million contract to a pompous hypocrite guilty of a crime his very own show preached against in a market that had already been unstable?

Your comparison is absurd nitro.

So if you don't like it, don't listen to any Clear Channel stations and don't go to any concerts that they sponsor. That'll show 'em.

If Limbaugh was worth a $400 million contract as the propaganda minister of the republican party you wouldn't be looking at Ron Paul because Limbaugh doesn't like him.

Ratzilla wrote:

If Limbaugh was worth a $400 million contract as the propaganda minister of the republican party you wouldn't be looking at Ron Paul because Limbaugh doesn't like him.

It simply amazes me how much you care for things that don't affect you and so little for things that do. You spend so much time complaining, it's a wonder if you could even smile. This happens when you use MediaMatters as your sole source of information.

You truly are a very sad person. I pity you.

I smile dozens of times every day. Sometimes a hundred or more. Once again it proves you don't know jack shit about me. You only seem to know what political spin doctors tell you to think.

Ratzilla wrote:

I smile dozens of times every day. Sometimes a hundred or more. Once again it proves you don't know jack shit about me. You only seem to know what political spin doctors tell you to think.

So now the political spin doctors are telling people what to think about you? You must be pretty damn important. Probably a legend in your own mind.

The Other One wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

I smile dozens of times every day. Sometimes a hundred or more. Once again it proves you don't know jack shit about me. You only seem to know what political spin doctors tell you to think.

So now the political spin doctors are telling people what to think about you? You must be pretty damn important. Probably a legend in your own mind.

In your case that may be incorrect. You may just be stupid.

Puppy wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Puppy wrote:

I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal consevative and you are very, VERY wrong when you say we did not criticize Bush.

We certaily did and Obam increased Bush's stupid bailouts 3 fole.

I wasn't speaking of all republicans, or independant conservatives. I was speaking of Bush supporters who refused to acknowledge his stupidiy but rushed in to blame Obama for everything wrong in the country. I didn't vote for either one of them so at least my conscience is clear.

I dd not vote for either of them either.

They both suck.

But without question if Obama and Bush were running against each other I would vote for Bush. The lesser of two evils may still be evil but at least Bush wasn't deliberately trying to destroy the west.

+1

And in what way is Obama deliberately trying to destroy us? I recall similar statements about Clinton, but we're still here. I would still vote for neither Obama or Bush even if given the choice of only those two. I suspect at the end of the Obama reign there will be another republican in office and it will be the democrats claiming he or she, will be out to ruin the country.

Personally I think things have become so complex in both world affairs and domestic that it will take one very different kind of president to make it through their term without someone thinking the downfall of the nation is their goal.

Don't forget, there were those who were completely convinced that the world would end yesterday but it didn't.

Puppy wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Puppy wrote:

I am not a Republican, but I am a fiscal consevative and you are very, VERY wrong when you say we did not criticize Bush.

We certaily did and Obam increased Bush's stupid bailouts 3 fole.

I wasn't speaking of all republicans, or independant conservatives. I was speaking of Bush supporters who refused to acknowledge his stupidiy but rushed in to blame Obama for everything wrong in the country. I didn't vote for either one of them so at least my conscience is clear.

I dd not vote for either of them either.

They both suck.

But without question if Obama and Bush were running against each other I would vote for Bush. The lesser of two evils may still be evil but at least Bush wasn't deliberately trying to destroy the west.

And this is why you aren't worth my time.

Ratzilla wrote:

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

Had I been one of the republican hierarchy I'd have insisted this two faced slob be blackballed from the conservative ranks. But instead this bloated hypocrite gets a huge raise at the expense of 2800 other jobs so he can continue to be the favorite propaganda minister of conservatives. This alone tells me conservatives have serious reality issues.

The Limbaugh CONTRACT was inked in early July 2008. CCC started it's lay-offs in January 2009 with 1850 and laid off an estimated 1000 more by May 2009. Approximately 12% of their employee workforce. When I was laid-off in 2009, my employer dropped 100% of their employee workforce. Both owners had taken a vacation 6 months prior because they could afford it. A lot changed in 6 months at that time.

They aren't rich. Do you hate them too?

Because, I don't. I understand economics and contractual obligations.

When was Limbaugh found guilty of buying drugs illegally? About 2003. Yes, it was well before this contract. With that I ask you this. Did your employer lay off all of it's workforce within months of giving a $400 Million contract to a conservative talk show host who had said back in the mid 1990's that illegal drug users deserved to be locked up?

Did your employer or any employee get to keep every penny of a $400 million contract while 2800 others were axed to cover the company's ass? And most importantly, did your employer lay off all of their employees within months of awarding a $400 million contract to a pompous hypocrite guilty of a crime his very own show preached against in a market that had already been unstable?

Your comparison is absurd nitro.

UH., Rush, and I DO NOT LIKE HIM, is the reason those jobs exist in the first place. So how many jobs would have been lost if he was dumped?.

You're giving Limbaugh too much credit. Alot of those jobs lost were music stations. Average estimates on Limbaugh listeners is about 20 million. Clear Channel estimates it's listeners at around 237 million monthly listeners in the U.S.

Check any state or major city in a search of their stations and you'll find the majority are music stations. Kansas has one talk news out of 16 Clear Channel stations.

http://www.clearchannel.com/radio/StationSearch.aspx?RadioSearch=kansas

I am well aware of what you said. I have no idea how many people are employed because of him. Still, with That many listeners, there is little doubt that a lot of people are employed because of him.

Heck, I even sometimes listen to him for ass much as 5 minutes before I can't take it any longer.

Puppy wrote:

Still, with That many listeners, there is little doubt that a lot of people are employed because of him.

Hmmm. A man who by way of captivating speeches has built a loyal following of millions and created jobs in the process.

Ah yes! How the radical left wing socialists love to play the Hitler card.

The only thing they enjoy more is playing the race card!

Puppy wrote:

Ah yes! How the radical left wing socialists love to play the Hitler card.

The only thing they enjoy more is playing the race card!

Ah yes, calling everyone a socialist who doesn't agree with the great conservative vision. Radical leftists despise me more than conservatives. I should know. A couple bleeding heart liberals vacated this forum and blamed me for it.

Here's a few of many dozens of those "radical left wing socialist" comparisons to Hitler they love to play that you speak of

Good Gawd people. Around here ya'll seem to think that anybody who isn't a part of the talk-radio/fox-news echo-chamber is a 'socialist leftist'. You people need to get out more. You'd shit your pants if you met an actual lefty.

Whatever Ratzilla may be, he's no leftist/socialist. Unlike lots around here, he isn't being spoon-fed.

But who the hell am I kidding? Ya'll probably think I'm a leftist. Ah well... pearls/swine and all that.

Bighead wrote:

Whatever Ratzilla may be, he's no leftist/socialist. Unlike lots around here, he isn't being spoon-fed.

Agreed.

Bighead wrote:

Ah well... pearls/swine and all that.

You saying that you like getting pearl necklaces?

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Bighead wrote:

Whatever Ratzilla may be, he's no leftist/socialist. Unlike lots around here, he isn't being spoon-fed.

Agreed.

Nope. He only hates rich people and quotes mediamatters and the wsj. A.K.A. source of his Limbaugh info almost verbatim. Both of which top listings in a google search.

BTW, I don't listen to Limbaugh either.

Still waiting on proof of parroting... Bighead, you got something?

Quote :

He only hates rich people

Well, that's the standard accusation that gets thrown around by the talk-radio/FoxNews echo-chamber whenever somebody DARES to criticize the rich.

Next you'll start splitting hairs over the definition of 'rich' and think that's an original thought too.

Bighead wrote:

Quote :

He only hates rich people

Well, that's the standard accusation that gets thrown around by the talk-radio/FoxNews echo-chamber whenever somebody DARES to criticize the rich.

Next you'll start splitting hairs over the definition of 'rich' and think that's an original thought too.

Interesting...