Bin Laden and Co

Seems to me the root of the problem is women's liberation. The tone of all Mr. Bin Laden's speeches seems to be about what a decadent bunch we are, because women here are so wild, what with the bare faces and all.

The whole thing is about the right wing muslims wanting to keep their women under control.

Maybe we should have an underground railroad for the females in man land who would like to get out. At least we ought to acknowledge that the nuttier part of Islam's desire to maintain their extremely male dominated culture is the core problem.

Personally, I don't want to wear a burka. But they seem hell bent on torturing us until that holy day comes.

So, what to do?

stick all the women back in the kitchen where they belong and let the men rule.

Muslim men wanting to rule over their women didn't cause 9/11. US expansionism and our ties to Israel may have though. When you walk into a crazy dog's yard he is likely to try to bite you.

zeke wrote:

stick all the women back in the kitchen where they belong and let the men rule.

Nice concept! but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Ratzilla wrote:

Muslim men wanting to rule over their women didn't cause 9/11. US expansionism and our ties to Israel may have though. When you walk into a crazy dog's yard he is likely to try to bite you.

Why do you hate America?

I got relatives that stick their nose in where it don't belong and try to claim what isn't theirs. Don't mean I hate em.

Rog wrote:

Seems to me the root of the problem is women's liberation. The tone of all Mr. Bin Laden's speeches seems to be about what a decadent bunch we are, because women here are so wild, what with the bare faces and all.

The whole thing is about the right wing muslims wanting to keep their women under control.

Maybe we should have an underground railroad for the females in man land who would like to get out. At least we ought to acknowledge that the nuttier part of Islam's desire to maintain their extremely male dominated culture is the core problem.

Personally, I don't want to wear a burka. But they seem hell bent on torturing us until that holy day comes.

So, what to do?

really? what a juvenile understanding of the world.

zeke wrote:

stick all the women back in the kitchen where they belong and let the men rule.

too simple... wont work anyway... if women were gonna settle for that nonsense they already would have... any attempts toward regression are largely futile and will result in no sex... so basically, futile....

What motivates a man to do anything?

I have a class with a guy named Mohammad. Seems like a decent guy... pretty smart too. We've helped each other out with some Fortran programming and some real nasty differential equations. He's the kind of guy that if you help him out, he'll make a POINT of helping you out when he gets a chance- lots of international students are that way.

And he has this gal who follows him around- in a burka. No shit... we're talking FULL BURKA here. It's black, NOT form-fitting, and only a slit for her eyes. I have no idea what the gal looks like, and that's a shame; there are several middle-eastern gals here at Wichita State that dress kinda slutty, and I find that interesting.

Don't know if this is his sister, his girlfriend, or who the hell this is... he doesn't ever refer to the gal in conversation, and she doesn't join in. She's just 'there', tinkering with her laptop whenever Mohammad is in the computer lab.

For what it's worth, hijabs are not uncommon at Wichita State. But full-on burkas are few and far between. I've only seen maybe two or three. And full-beard muslims aren't very common either. Not sure if Mohammad qualifies- the guy is pretty young (early 20's) and probably couldn't grow a proper beard yet if he wanted to... so maybe he means to wait until he's good and hairy before he lets it grow out?

It must not be that rare to see Muslim women in burkas.....I seen one in the Hays WalMart not too long ago.

Really? A full-on burka?

Or just a hijab? There's a difference, you know.

Rog wrote:

What motivates a man to do anything?

Rog wouldn't know.

Rog wrote:

What motivates a man to do anything?

Assuming your point is women, what would motivate men if women had no vagina?

That may sound sexist, but think about it. Women would hold no power over men, and telling us what Oprah had to say would likely get you booted out the door. Of course the relationship goes far beyond that, but the vagina is like the billboard that draws the tourist to stop.

I am at the age where nice conversation and just the attractiveness of women can be satisfying alot of the time, but I won't sacrifice much to achieve it either. It was the lure of what women held between their legs that led men to build empires, and to fight and die for them.

People in general and men in particular seem have an instinctual desire to dominate. Like a cat that really seems to enjoy keeping that mouse in the corner before eating it.

I read somewhere recently that the Arabs are great warriors, but for some reason, historically, they always end up getting their asses kicked. They have a cultural feeling of resentment about this. So, they have to dominate something, and the easy target is the women. If the women get out of line, they just kill them. Not hard to keep things under control this way.

In all seriousness, I think the desire to protect their cultural domination over women is the main item on Bin Laden and Co's agenda.

Acknowledging that fact might help solve the problem, or it might blow things up completely.

I don't agree with the theory. The reason Arabs get their asses kicked is because they try to fight laser guided missiles and artillery with old tanks and improvised devices that require a person to place them. Modern Israeli aircraft and armor easily defeated the Arabs in the 60's who often were still using bolt action rifles.

I do agree that the role of men and women in Arab culture is a large part of why they want to preserve said culture, but there are alot of things in American culture they do not want. They strongly oppose Judaism and Christianity. They oppose alcohol and homosexuals. They oppose the gluttonous corporations that want to strip their lands of any value and leave them with McDonalds hamburgers as the payoff. They oppose consuming pork and a variety of other practices they see as unclean.

Japan and China have long histories of cruel male domination yet these nations have produced some of the most feared and accomplished warriors in history. While I think frustration of failures can lead a man to take it out on his women and or kids, I think the Muslim male domination has more to do with their religion than anything else.

They use religion to justify what they are going to do anyway like most everyone else.

Life gets more distressing as I go along.

Point is that that they have been using religion as their basis for how they treat women for centuries. They'd be doing it whether we were here or not. But it's far more than that causing the friction.

We stepped on their territory first. We want them to change how they've done things for hundreds of years and behave like we do and they reacted negatively. Why that surprises anyone is the biggest mystery.