Gun Owners, Unfiltered

In flat rebuttal of N.R.A. propaganda, the findings showed that 69 percent of N.R.A. members supported closing the notorious gun-show loophole that invites laissez-faire arms dealing outside registration requirements.

Even more members, 82 percent, favored banning gun purchases to suspects on terrorist watch lists who are now free to arm. And 69 percent disagreed with Congressionally imposed rules against sharing federal gun-trace information with state and local police agencies.

These findings strike at some of the N.R.A.’s most sacred shibboleths. The survey questionnaire, devoid of boilerplate alarums about threatened gun rights, found some plain reason at work. It is clear that most members still oppose policies like a national gun registry. But 86 percent of gun owners also agreed that more could be done to “stop criminals from getting guns while also protecting the rights of citizens to freely own them.” And 78 percent of N.R.A. members said they should be required to report stolen guns to the police — to combat another source of underground arms dealing.

Imagine, the dreaded M-word — moderates — surfacing in a political constituency that the N.R.A. portrays as fully locked and loaded for marching orders. If only poll-addicted members of Congress dared to heed gun owners unfiltered by the gun lobby.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/opinion/21mon4.html?_r=1

If Congress heeded gun owners unfiltered by the NRA lobby we'd have the right to own full auto without special license, and there'd no risk of being punished for shooting rapists, robbers, and other violent offenders during the commission of their crimes.

You can't go by the NRA to know the real story because the NRA is full of guys who only want a right to hunt. The NRA has done far too much bargaining on what our founders intended as an undeniable right, especially when it comes to military style weapons.

When the founders gave us the right to keep and bear there were only flintlocks, but now criminals and hostiles from outside our nation can not be fought with flintlocks. We have the right to equal their firepower in our defense. Check out Gun Owners Of America, or Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership to know what Constitution minded gun owners really think.

Way thankful we have our choices,...but for how long I guess.

robert wrote:

Even more members, 82 percent, favored banning gun purchases to suspects on terrorist watch lists who are now free to arm.

The terrorist watch list is a joke.

In May, 2007, I boarded a plane in Hays at 6:00 on a Sunday morning, headed for Denver and then to Orlando. They stopped everything and had to call Houston and get clearance to let me on the plane, since my name was on the terrorist watch list. Not that I have a common name or anything. Probably only several thousand people in the country with the same name. But I had my passport! After 20 minutes of holding up the entire operation, they decided that I wasn't a terrorist and let me on the plane.

I repeat, the terorist watch list is a joke.

The Other One wrote:

The terrorist watch list is a joke.
I repeat, the terorist watch list is a joke.

would you still feel that way if you knew that i was on it too?

robert wrote:

The Other One wrote:

The terrorist watch list is a joke.
I repeat, the terorist watch list is a joke.

would you still feel that way if you knew that i was on it too?

Are you a terrorist?

The point is that they should have a detailed description and use a little common sense. A swarthy raghead with my name might be a legitimate stop, because it would be highly likely that it's an alias. If I was dressed like Randy Moss was dressed for his post-game press conference last Sunday, I could see why they would have stopped me (or you, if that was the case). They just need to use a little common sense. But common sense and government don't mix.

Us citizens are THE government.

alg8tr wrote:

Us citizens are THE government.

and thats the issue isn't it? kinda?

alg8tr wrote:

Us citizens are THE government.

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Perhaps the citizens need to reassert themselves.

The Other One wrote:

Perhaps the citizens need to reassert themselves.

they will. unfortunately it starts on the extreme outer edges with the loonies who see the solution as a civil war rather than what it really should be which is a governmental housecleaning followed by term limits and a myriad of other "irremovable" safeguard amendments to prevent the old boy network from taking hold again.

robert wrote:

governmental housecleaning

Don't forget senatecleaning, too. This morning was a prime example of the need for that.

The Other One wrote:

robert wrote:

governmental housecleaning

Don't forget senatecleaning, too. This morning was a prime example of the need for that.

yeah... that no public option was kinda hard to take...

robert wrote:

The Other One wrote:

robert wrote:

governmental housecleaning

Don't forget senatecleaning, too. This morning was a prime example of the need for that.

yeah... that no public option was kinda hard to take...

Kinda funny that the left is unhappy with it, the right is unhappy with it, yet it passed. It ain't over yet, though. They still have to get a single bill passed by both chambers. Any hint of public option loses Lieberman and sinks them.

nothing changes for me with either outcome. my healthcare is still socialized and guaranteed. i'm rooting for a public option tho. i want everybody to at least get what i get.

my gap insurance will double...$375 a month. Leaves me $412

robert wrote:

nothing changes for me with either outcome. my healthcare is still socialized and guaranteed. i'm rooting for a public option tho. i want everybody to at least get what i get.

The difference that causes distress for both conservatives and moderates is that you get healthcare because of being in the military, which you earned. You didn't just hop the border, or sit on your ass watching Oprah in between making welfare babies and expect a free ride.

Ratzilla wrote:

robert wrote:

nothing changes for me with either outcome. my healthcare is still socialized and guaranteed. i'm rooting for a public option tho. i want everybody to at least get what i get.

The difference that causes distress for both conservatives and moderates is that you get healthcare because of being in the military, which you earned. You didn't just hop the border, or sit on your ass watching Oprah in between making welfare babies and expect a free ride.

i consider myself a moderate (believe it or not) and i'm still okay with everyone getting healthcare. having been 'round the world, my worldview is not so limited. i worry about the implementation for reasons other than the "welfare queens" and "illegals".

after a life of poor health, I am most concerned about my right to seek good medical help, oh...and deciding when to give up and die.

guess when this all becomes mandated "uncle sugar" will get to decide that which is "discretionary income"

bobby is probably on the terrorist watch list if Janet Napolitano has anything to do with it. She was the one who issued the memo that included ex-military people as those who should be watched.

Yet when this clown, whose own father called everyone he could get ahold of to warn them about, sticks a bomb in his underwear, boards a U.S. bound plane without a passport and tries to murder 290 innocent people, not to mention the lives that would have been lost on the ground had it not been for a courageous Dutchman, Janet Napolitano declares that "the system worked."

When was the last time she submitted to a sobriety test?

actually i made the hit list during last administration. ep i thought you knew "citizens" are the last line of defense... lol

robert wrote:

actually i made the hit list during last administration. ep i thought you knew "citizens" are the last line of defense... lol

You have the emphasis wrong. Citizens are the last line of defense. This bozo never should have been allowed on the plane.

And it's not a matter of administrations. It's a matter of useless bureaucrats creating reasons for their own continued employment instead of solving the problems they were hired to address. The system did not work on any level except the last level.

The Other One wrote:

robert wrote:

actually i made the hit list during last administration. ep i thought you knew "citizens" are the last line of defense... lol

You have the emphasis wrong. Citizens are the last line of defense. This bozo never should have been allowed on the plane.

And it's not a matter of administrations. It's a matter of useless bureaucrats creating reasons for their own continued employment instead of solving the problems they were hired to address. The system did not work on any level except the last level.

I'm impressed, EP. Shocked, but impressed.

he doesn't really think republicans are to blame... about this or anything ... just trynna sound bipartisan

Damn Bighead, are you using a Wichita prostitutes picture? Something tells me that guy probably doesn't get targetted by butt pirates in jail. Actually it reminds me of a stepmother I had once, only not quite as ugly as her.

Actually, this is one of the local thugs in my hometown back in Southern Appalachia. Believe it or not, the guy is locally famous as some kind of badass... that's his reputation anyhow.

He gets arrested every few months for meth and/or wife-beating. I found his picture while going through the county's inmate database- looking to see how many friends, relatives, classmates, church members, etc. are in jail at the moment. It's an impressive shot, huh?

Bighead wrote:

Actually, this guy is one of the local thugs in my hometown back in Southern Appalachia. Believe it or not, the guy is locally famous as some kind of badass... that's his reputation anyhow.

he has a massive head but somehow I don't think that translates too enhanced intelligence

Yeah, we Scotts-Irish tend to have rather large noggins'... whether or not they're of any practical use. I imagine this guy could wield his as a club- you wouldn't want to get hit with THAT, now would you?

Bighead wrote:

Yeah, we Scotts-Irish tend to have rather large noggins'... whether or not they're of any practical use. I imagine this guy could wield his as a club- you wouldn't want to get hit with THAT, now would you?

Hell I think that skull may stop a 158 grain 357 mag bullet

I thought ya'll might enjoy a glimpse of where greatness comes from.

This guy lives right up the hill from where I grew up. His boy was in my class until he flunked 1st grade and dropped out in 6th:




Judging by his last name, his location, and his glorious mullet- this is some of my distant kin:






And these two are just funny:

Have you checked out the list for Ellis County lately? There's some on there that could make your hit list.

The Other One wrote:

Have you checked out the list for Ellis County lately? There's some on there that could make your hit list.

hell I have forgotten the link for that

Genetics can be cruel.

LINDA A ALLEN

DOB: 02-18-1954
Registered Since: 07-20-2001

Most Recent Offense

RAPE

wtf?

Liberals are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing, but it brings a smile to your face when you push one down a flight of stairs.


ep... please get some sleep... your exhibiting signs of violence....

robert wrote:

LINDA A ALLEN

DOB: 02-18-1954
Registered Since: 07-20-2001

Most Recent Offense

RAPE

wtf?

If you read her offenses you'll see it was a 5 year old boy. Now tell me how many males of any age would willingly mess with that old hag.

Ratzilla wrote:

robert wrote:

LINDA A ALLEN

DOB: 02-18-1954
Registered Since: 07-20-2001

Most Recent Offense

RAPE

wtf?

If you read her offenses you'll see it was a 5 year old boy. Now tell me how many males of any age would willingly mess with that old hag.

Was she a school teacher?

robert wrote:

Liberals are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing, but it brings a smile to your face when you push one down a flight of stairs.


ep... please get some sleep... your exhibiting signs of violence....

If you can't take a joke, it's just too bad. Then again, most liberals like you are humorless on top of being useless.