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Slider, you poor naive human, you are so enthralled in the fact that your precious Obama is going to swoop in and cure all your ills, that you've lost your ability to think for yourself. If you had bothered to view all of the above links in their entirety, you would see that your beloved current Administration is using the same spy tactics set in place by the previous Administration that you hate. I guess it's ok with you to have your Constitutional Rights infringed upon as long as long as the guy in charge is promising you hand-outs...

slider wrote:

The "Lunatic" is spewing lies about is actually is the Government WebPage that the dealers have to log on to track the Rebates, not the page that the General Public can log on to check out the rebate progeam.

Once again "fear tactics" to fuel the conspiracy theorists that "Big Brother Obama" is taking over everyone's personal information. Wasn't it just a couple of years ago everyone was up in arms about "W's Administration" doing un warranted wiretaps on civilian phones, intercepting e-mails and logging your internet usage to prevent terrorist attacks?

How soon the "Mentally Derranged" forget about those gross volations of our rights as US Citizens that were propogated by the previous Adminstration!

Actually, Beck was raising objections to the wiretaps. Unfortunately, there is no radio station in Hays that carries his program and at that time, his TV show was on Headline News, which nobody watches.

slider wrote:

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Slider, you poor naive human, you are so enthralled in the fact that your precious Obama is going to swoop in and cure all your ills, that you've lost your ability to think for yourself. If you had bothered to view all of the above links in their entirety, you would see that your beloved current Administration is using the same spy tactics set in place by the previous Administration that you hate. I guess it's ok with you to have your Constitutional Rights infringed upon as long as long as the guy in charge is promising you hand-outs...

Nope, once again you have ASSumed wrong. You missed the point of my statement entirely. I was merely commenting on the fact that they are doing the same thing as the Bush/Rove/Cheney led dumbass Administration that preceded them. A lot of things that are in direct violation of our Constitutionly guaranteed rights.

FYI - I don't like the current President just as I didn't like the "Puppet in Charge" for the last eight years. Never voted for either of them. We are stuck with him just like we were with "W"

"QUACK"

slider wrote:

The "Lunatic" is spewing lies!

slider wrote:

FYI - I don't like the current President just as I didn't like the "Puppet in Charge" for the last eight years

O ranks "President"

W ranks "Puppet in Charge"

Don't think I missed your point.

slider wrote:

Just look at how the "Medical Lobbyists" are throwing Millions of Dollars to derail any type of Healthcare Reform. Democracy is action, no just business as usual on the Hill!

Yup, Insurance companies are hiring thousands of people to infiltrate town hall meetings to try to derail the Administration because Americans have no idea how to form their own ideas.....

slider wrote:

Even the Gods of Talk Radio are expounding upon how the "Medical Industry Lobby" is spending over a million dollars a day to kill the Health Care Reform for this country.

What would you do? If the Government decided it wanted to wipe out YOUR business and your means to support your family, would you fight back by any means necessary or would you just sit back and hope for the best?

The peoples' voices have been heard- and they're siding with the devil they know over the devil they don't know. Can't say I blame them.

IMO, these assorted socialization schemes will only add ANOTHER layer of regulation and protection from competition to an industry that's ALREADY insulated from any real competition (I'll elaborate on this if anybody is curious... but I doubt ya'll are).

Now... that isn't to say that the VAST majority of rhetoric I hear in opposition to Obama's (rather vague) proposals is anything but hyperbole, half-truths, conspiracy theory, and outright fabrication. It's kinda disgusting AND fascinating to watch one of our most PROTECTED (from competition) industries being defended in the name of capitalism & free markets ('cause the medical industry is anything BUT a 'free market'). But hey- it's plain to see that they've won. Time for the Democrats to move on or suffer a repeat of 1994. I personally don't care a whole lot what they do.

BTW- I just can't bring myself to watch Glen Beck. The man is Short Bus material... he'd fit right in around here. Matter of fact if I didn't know better, I'd think he was a Wellbrock. He has that look.

he was a Wellbrock. He has that look.[/quote] Now that's some funny shit!

You know the look I'm talking about.

It's all in the eyes. Sortof a vacant, soulless look.

John McCain has it too.

The phrase "It takes money to make money" is what Washington politics revolves around and it's the real reason most of our politicians wanted to be there. So they could rake in their own cash by selling out to the highest bidders.

All American citizens will be ordered to have a National ID Card (page 58)

The government to have immediate access to every American citizen's bank accounts via electronic funds transfers (page 59)

All property owned by the doctors in the United States to be determined by the government (page 317)

All American citizens ordered to give the United States government power over their living wills (page 425)

The United States government given a new power to determine who and how their citizens die (page 427)

End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)

You may use this LINK to search the bill for these provisions and more.


It's a long read.

"End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)"

Um... just looked at that one recently and what you're saying that says is completely different than what it says. All the bill says is that Medicare will have to reimburse practitioners for end of life counseling sessions. They may bill for this every 5 years, or more if the health of the patient changes. In other words, your doctor will be able to be reimbursed for a visit in which you want to talk to him about living wills, pain management, or many other considerations that come with end of life care(like if you have terminal cancer). Prior to this, that would have been paid out of pocket by the patient.


Check The Consumerist for a bit more info if you wish.

Scare tactics are resorted to when you can't come up with anything real to complain about.

CelticDragon wrote:

"End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)"

Um... just looked at that one recently and what you're saying that says is completely different than what it says. All the bill says is that Medicare will have to reimburse practitioners for end of life counseling sessions. They may bill for this every 5 years, or more if the health of the patient changes. In other words, your doctor will be able to be reimbursed for a visit in which you want to talk to him about living wills, pain management, or many other considerations that come with end of life care(like if you have terminal cancer). Prior to this, that would have been paid out of pocket by the patient.


Check The Consumerist for a bit more info if you wish.

Scare tactics are resorted to when you can't come up with anything real to complain about.

[quote="Page 429"]

An advance care planing consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently that provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as determined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or similar order

Kool-Aid Fear Tactics my ass...

CelticDragon wrote:

"End of life plan for each American citizen ordered by the government (page 429)"

Um... just looked at that one recently and what you're saying that says is completely different than what it says. All the bill says is that Medicare will have to reimburse practitioners for end of life counseling sessions. They may bill for this every 5 years, or more if the health of the patient changes. In other words, your doctor will be able to be reimbursed for a visit in which you want to talk to him about living wills, pain management, or many other considerations that come with end of life care(like if you have terminal cancer). Prior to this, that would have been paid out of pocket by the patient.


Check The Consumerist for a bit more info if you wish.

Scare tactics are resorted to when you can't come up with anything real to complain about.

Do you REALLY think these folks are interested in the truth?

Now I'm not saying that I support Obamacare... I have serious doubts about it to say the least. But a good 90% of the arguments I've heard against it have been wildly exaggerated, deliberately misconstrued, or just plain false. That's because this sort of thing sells- it's fun and interesting... gets people riled up. These people don't CARE what the truth of the matter is.

They've already been told what their opinion is going to be. No need to look any further into it..

[quote="nitromaxx98"]

Page 429 wrote:

An advance care planing consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently that provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as determined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or similar order

Kool-Aid Fear Tactics my ass...

This is just one of two Bills that have not yet become the final product. You can unclinch your buttcheeks nitro, you're going to crap a diamond out pretty soon!

Any thing that ever comes out of this will have to be negoiated between the two version of the Health Care Plan, House and Senate will stew over this for months ..... what you are crying about now may never see the light of day ... I'd bet the ranch it isn't in the final draft if it ever gets to that stage.

Cry me a river over the "scare tactics" being used by the Republicant's and their unlimited money machine .. the Health Care Industry.

Bighead wrote:

Do you REALLY think these folks are interested in the truth?

Now I'm not saying that I support Obamacare... I have serious doubts about it to say the least. But a good 90% of the arguments I've heard for it have been wildly exaggerated, deliberately misconstrued, or just plain false. That's because this sort of thing sells- it's fun and interesting... gets people riled up. These people don't CARE what the truth of the matter is.

They've already been told what their opinion is going to be. No need to look any further into it..

Funny how a single word change makes the argument go the other way..

gee... i have those consultations with my VA healthcare people already, and if your doctors gave a crap about you they would have them with you... I know numerous females who got
"the change of life consultation" (menopause) and i have had more than a few for my changing health condition. you wanna let someone else make your end of life care decisions, or even yourself, without being fully informed; please do so. But please don't come on here with your paranoid soylent green rubbish scaring folks out of helping themselves so big insurance and big pharma can jingle jangle more coins in their piggy pockets. makes you look foolish. especially since most of you naysayers spent the last 8 years poo pooing the worries of the imperial president conspirators and you now say it has come to be...

wish you republicans would have cared about what uncle sugar was doing before i had to see crap like this... freakin embarrassing is what you are...

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Slider, you poor naive human, you are so enthralled in the fact that your precious Obama is going to swoop in and cure all your ills, that you've lost your ability to think for yourself. If you had bothered to view all of the above links in their entirety, you would see that your beloved current Administration is using the same spy tactics set in place by the previous Administration that you hate. I guess it's ok with you to have your Constitutional Rights infringed upon as long as long as the guy in charge is promising you hand-outs...

your guy promised us more war... bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb bomb iran...

good grief...

Quit bitching and moaning about the past, bobby. Do you really want the government knowing everything that you do in your life? I think not. And you'll be the first one in line to bitch and moan when they use it against you. And they will, no matter what your political persuasion. Their goal is money and control.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - PJ O'Rourke

The Other One wrote:

Quit bitching and moaning about the past, bobby. Do you really want the government knowing everything that you do in your life? I think not. And you'll be the first one in line to bitch and moan when they use it against you. And they will, no matter what your political persuasion. Their goal is money and control.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - PJ O'Rourke

they already do... D^&Khead... and its because of you RAH RAH ing for bush while he put this mechanism in place. more murder or pretty streets while we figure out this population and resource issue.. i voted for pretty streets... lame... lame... boxcar built for you too... don't forget that my friend... you sell overpriced food to people who don't need it... your self righteousness is a bore oh special EP... get a grip and find your heart lost one....

robert wrote:

The Other One wrote:

Quit bitching and moaning about the past, bobby. Do you really want the government knowing everything that you do in your life? I think not. And you'll be the first one in line to bitch and moan when they use it against you. And they will, no matter what your political persuasion. Their goal is money and control.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - PJ O'Rourke

they already do... D^&Khead... and its because of you RAH RAH ing for bush while he put this mechanism in place. more murder or pretty streets while we figure out this population and resource issue.. i voted for pretty streets... lame... lame... boxcar built for you too... don't forget that my friend... you sell overpriced food to people who don't need it... your self righteousness is a bore oh special EP... get a grip and find your heart lost one....

And how many Democrats voted for the Patriot Act? Kerry, Clinton, Kennedy, Prince Harry, Princess Pelosi, the list could go on for a long time.

who lied them into fear to get them there?... gonna be a mushroom cloud remember?... but yeah they went along too... knowing all the while your president was gonna assume powers unbecoming and that soon they'd be getting them too... your guys couldn't steal enuff votes to pull off a third term even tho they were counting them... poof... mini revolution... an uprising you might say against evil and all of your kind... your ancestors rode one... you will too my friend... overpriced food seller... hardy har har... yep you special....



love ya!

The Other One wrote:

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - PJ O'Rourke

Wonder if Bighead will see this and rally to support the right of teenage boys to drink whiskey and drive. Unless maybe he only wants little girls to run wild.

Ratzilla wrote:

The Other One wrote:

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - PJ O'Rourke

Wonder if Bighead will see this and rally to support the right of teenage boys to drink whiskey and drive. Unless maybe he only wants little girls to run wild.

Attention Bighead: You better check this out!

robert wrote:

robert wrote:

wish you republicans would have cared about what uncle sugar was doing before i had to see crap like this... freakin embarrassing is what you are...

and there you are with nothing... good gawd... slither back into your hole in the name of yahweh!

robert wrote:

robert wrote:

robert wrote:

wish you republicans would have cared about what uncle sugar was doing before i had to see crap like this... freakin embarrassing is what you are...

and there you are with nothing... good gawd... slither back into your hole in the name of yahweh!

Sounds like anti-Semitism from bobby to me.

just a blessing from myu gawd to yours in honor of his name in the face of your lying state of being... EP... you are evil... i hope whatever gawd commands you; ... at some point strikes you kind... your family deserves better. ungrateful vermin...

robert wrote:

just a blessing from myu gawd to yours in honor of his name in the face of your lying state of being... EP... you are evil... i hope whatever gawd commands you; ... at some point strikes you kind... your family deserves better. ungrateful vermin...

Speak for yourself.

The kind affection in these forums just touches me at times.

The Other One wrote:

robert wrote:

just a blessing from myu gawd to yours in honor of his name in the face of your lying state of being... EP... you are evil... i hope whatever gawd commands you; ... at some point strikes you kind... your family deserves better. ungrateful vermin...

Speak for yourself.

i believe i did... what i got in return from you came as little surprise... DITTO ... proud monkey!

EMBARRASSING!!!!

Ratzilla wrote:

The kind affection in these forums just touches me at times.

i like how EP gets to throw around the word "cocksucker" in this family forum but mikecc gets banned 4 using vulgaraties. oh... but there was other stuff too, of which none of us were privy to... and we shouldnt worry about it because it was bad and the "moderators" said so...

funny tho'... moderators seem to hold all of the power, and they sorta do, they can ban anyone they like. even me. but like my mother always told me, the consumer really has all of the power. they can choose to walk away and never come back too. and that leaves the "moderators" with what they have. an occassionally viewed website by an average of 13ish.....

robert wrote:

Ratzilla wrote:

The kind affection in these forums just touches me at times.

i like how EP gets to throw around the word "cocksucker" in this family forum but mikecc gets banned 4 using vulgaraties. oh... but there was other stuff too, of which none of us were privy to... and we shouldnt worry about it because it was bad and the "moderators" said so...

funny tho'... moderators seem to hold all of the power, and they sorta do, they can ban anyone they like. even me. but like my mother always told me, the consumer really has all of the power. they can choose to walk away and never come back too. and that leaves the "moderators" with what they have. an occassionally viewed website by an average of 13ish.....

Who just used that word?

Mike didn't get banned so much for language, but messing with the site owners. It's like a bar. You can be a jackass, sometimes even to the bouncers. But the owner will always toss you if you try to screw them around.

The mods have somewhat limited power. The real power is in the admin position. It is called ownership.