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Is it possible for anyone here to explain EXACTALLY how this Obamacare plan will benefit anybody?

nitromaxx98 wrote:

Is it possible for anyone here to explain EXACTALLY how this Obamacare plan will benefit anybody?

the only benefit will be when it does not pass.

Take your uninsured neighbor down the road who is pre-diabetic and doesn't know it. Without regular checkups, he may never know it until he is face down in a diabetic coma in the middle of WalMart. Then, you have the ambulance bill, the ER bill, the hospital bill, the doctor bill and possibly a LOT of clean up care to take care of the damage done to his internal organs and eyes because he never got preventative care. Very possibly, this will total, over his lifetime, in excess of a million dollars. Most of which will be paid by the taxpayer through higher insurance costs because of rising hospital costs from people not able to pay their bills.

Take that same man and give him regular checkups with a national healthcare program. He finds out early that he is pre-diabetic and adjusts his diet and/or gets put on metformin, a nice little cheap generic diabetes drug. The cost to taxpayers is a fraction of the cost of the above scenario.

Meanwhile, you can still buy your regular health insurance, if you wish, and have the same service you are used to.

The money for the national healthcare revamp is largely supposed to come out of the trillions already being spent on the uninsured and underinsured.

CelticDragon wrote:

Take your uninsured neighbor down the road who is pre-diabetic and doesn't know it. Without regular checkups, he may never know it until he is face down in a diabetic coma in the middle of WalMart. Then, you have the ambulance bill, the ER bill, the hospital bill, the doctor bill and possibly a LOT of clean up care to take care of the damage done to his internal organs and eyes because he never got preventative care. Very possibly, this will total, over his lifetime, in excess of a million dollars. Most of which will be paid by the taxpayer through higher insurance costs because of rising hospital costs from people not able to pay their bills.

Take that same man and give him regular checkups with a national healthcare program. He finds out early that he is pre-diabetic and adjusts his diet and/or gets put on metformin, a nice little cheap generic diabetes drug. The cost to taxpayers is a fraction of the cost of the above scenario.

Meanwhile, you can still buy your regular health insurance, if you wish, and have the same service you are used to.

The money for the national healthcare revamp is largely supposed to come out of the trillions already being spent on the uninsured and underinsured.

Are you seriously buying into this bullshit? Take a look at every country that has the same system that is being proposed. People wait months to see a doctor. There's even a town in Canada that has a monthly lottery to determine which residents get to see the doctor. Cancer patients are put on waiting lists for testing and regularly die while still waiting.

And the line about being able to keep your own insurance is a lie. If you change jobs, you'll be forced onto the government plan. If you change coverages, you'll be forced into the government plan. Eventually everyone will be forced into the government plan. And that's the way they want it. They want to control every aspect of our lives. Don't forget the government panels that will decide whether you're worthy of treatment. It's in the bill, which you obviously haven't bothered to read. In fact, nobody in Congress has read it. Just like nobody in Congress read the porkulous bill before they passed it. Do you see a pattern here?

I bet you can't wait to have a friend or relative told to "take two aspirin and call me when your cancer is at stage four."

Not to mention the goverment gets too decide if you are too sick or old too live. They can send you home with " You have had a good run but it over now" speech

Give that man a decent wage for a days work and he can buy his own insurance. I think one of the major issues with healthcare besides that is the fact that most of us don't want to be paying one penny for those who are just too lazy to work, or those who aren't even citizens. We need a healthcare system that will help the underinsured, but not those who are bums by profession and illegals.

How about when we hit age 75 we just go out and blow a big hole in our head? Problem solved!

CelticDragon wrote:

Take your uninsured neighbor down the road who is pre-diabetic and doesn't know it. Without regular checkups, he may never know it until he is face down in a diabetic coma in the middle of WalMart. Then, you have the ambulance bill, the ER bill, the hospital bill, the doctor bill and possibly a LOT of clean up care to take care of the damage done to his internal organs and eyes because he never got preventative care. Very possibly, this will total, over his lifetime, in excess of a million dollars. Most of which will be paid by the taxpayer through higher insurance costs because of rising hospital costs from people not able to pay their bills.

Take that same man and give him regular checkups with a national healthcare program. He finds out early that he is pre-diabetic and adjusts his diet and/or gets put on metformin, a nice little cheap generic diabetes drug. The cost to taxpayers is a fraction of the cost of the above scenario.

Meanwhile, you can still buy your regular health insurance, if you wish, and have the same service you are used to.

The money for the national healthcare revamp is largely supposed to come out of the trillions already being spent on the uninsured and underinsured.

You have truly made me believe that you are willing to sit on you ass and abort any personal responsibility in the belief that the federal government will make everything better.

My father needs his shoulder worked on. If the new health care bill passes, he will NEVER get it done, whether he wants to pay out of pocket for it or not. He is 65, and is at the back of the list to get anything done because of his age, and because he is a smoker. The elderly will be left with nothing, because the government thinks, "why spend the money on the old people, they are gonna die soon enough anyhow".

Blackie Kuhn wrote:

How about when we hit age 75 we just go out and blow a big hole in our head? Problem solved!

But just think of all the soylent green you could provide.

It pisses me off that seniors who worked their asses off for this country and paid their taxes and had their SS benefits held all those years often don't have it as well as some illegals who collect welfare on an anchor baby while daddy works for cash and never pays anything into the system his family rides free on.

One more thing about CelticDragon's statement. The healthcare bill is supposed to be paid for by savings in the system? Yeah, right. When has the government EVER spent LESS money on ANYTHING? The idea that the same people who run the post office and Amtrak will be controlling your healthcare should scare the living shit out of you.

They will never spend less on anything. This is no exception. This is another step to bankrupting the country. but the central government will have even more control of everyones' lives. That should be looked at as their primary goal. And it ain't a good thing.

nobodysbusiness wrote:

My father needs his shoulder worked on. If the new health care bill passes, he will NEVER get it done, whether he wants to pay out of pocket for it or not. He is 65, and is at the back of the list to get anything done because of his age, and because he is a smoker. The elderly will be left with nothing, because the government thinks, "why spend the money on the old people, they are gonna die soon enough anyhow".

And Mom wouldn't be here now....

nobodysbusiness wrote:

My father needs his shoulder worked on. If the new health care bill passes, he will NEVER get it done, whether he wants to pay out of pocket for it or not. He is 65, and is at the back of the list to get anything done because of his age, and because he is a smoker. The elderly will be left with nothing, because the government thinks, "why spend the money on the old people, they are gonna die soon enough anyhow".

That doesn't make any sense at all. I don't know where you got that idea. However, if you're talking about the plan being modeled on the Canadian system, you're sadly misinformed. Age alone is not a qualifier for care. Condition is. There are a lot of elderly people that cannot get procedures done (in this country or Canada) not because they don't have the insurance, but because the doctor they see say it is more dangerous to have the procedure than to live with the problem. That is a fact of life. There comes a point when doctors won't operate on people because they can't tolerate it. That has nothing to do with insurance, public or private.

My dad is in relatively good health except for his smoking. The insurance he has at the moment, is Medicare. Medicare will be done away with under Obama's plan. A government panel will dictate who gets what care. Once this happens, it isn't up to my father anymore. Even if he WANTS to pay for it, the government wont allow the doctor to do the procedure.

CelticDragon wrote:

nobodysbusiness wrote:

My father needs his shoulder worked on. If the new health care bill passes, he will NEVER get it done, whether he wants to pay out of pocket for it or not. He is 65, and is at the back of the list to get anything done because of his age, and because he is a smoker. The elderly will be left with nothing, because the government thinks, "why spend the money on the old people, they are gonna die soon enough anyhow".

That doesn't make any sense at all. I don't know where you got that idea. However, if you're talking about the plan being modeled on the Canadian system, you're sadly misinformed. Age alone is not a qualifier for care. Condition is. There are a lot of elderly people that cannot get procedures done (in this country or Canada) not because they don't have the insurance, but because the doctor they see say it is more dangerous to have the procedure than to live with the problem. That is a fact of life. There comes a point when doctors won't operate on people because they can't tolerate it. That has nothing to do with insurance, public or private.

regardless of how it is managed how the frack are we too pay for it. Obamalongadingdong keeps saying it will not add to the 1 TRILLION dollar debt the US all ready has.

slickjay12 wrote:

CelticDragon wrote:

nobodysbusiness wrote:

My father needs his shoulder worked on. If the new health care bill passes, he will NEVER get it done, whether he wants to pay out of pocket for it or not. He is 65, and is at the back of the list to get anything done because of his age, and because he is a smoker. The elderly will be left with nothing, because the government thinks, "why spend the money on the old people, they are gonna die soon enough anyhow".

That doesn't make any sense at all. I don't know where you got that idea. However, if you're talking about the plan being modeled on the Canadian system, you're sadly misinformed. Age alone is not a qualifier for care. Condition is. There are a lot of elderly people that cannot get procedures done (in this country or Canada) not because they don't have the insurance, but because the doctor they see say it is more dangerous to have the procedure than to live with the problem. That is a fact of life. There comes a point when doctors won't operate on people because they can't tolerate it. That has nothing to do with insurance, public or private.

regardless of how it is managed how the frack are we too pay for it. Obamalongadingdong keeps saying it will not add to the 1 TRILLION dollar debt the US all ready has.

A trillion is the deficit for the fiscal year. The current debt is in excess of 12 trillion, and it's growing daily. BO kept saying in his conference the other night that he "inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit." That, of course, is a complete lie. Most of the deficit has been added as a result of his porkulous bill and the omnibus spending bill. When the government says that a new program isn't going to add to the debt, you can bet that the exact opposite is going to happen.

Question for Members of Congress who support this debacle: One of the provisions of this bill is that if you switch jobs, you will be forced into the government plan. Does that mean when we vote your lying ass out of office, you will be forced into the same bullshit that you're forcing onto the rest of us?

nobodysbusiness wrote:

My dad is in relatively good health except for his smoking. The insurance he has at the moment, is Medicare. Medicare will be done away with under Obama's plan. A government panel will dictate who gets what care. Once this happens, it isn't up to my father anymore. Even if he WANTS to pay for it, the government wont allow the doctor to do the procedure.

If I can quit smoking anyone can!

I also find it interesting that the government has written themselves OUT of this plan.... If it is so f'n great why aren't THEY going to participate?

http://www.slate.com/id/2223754/

A fairly well-balanced article on health care reform.

Blackie Kuhn wrote:

If I can quit smoking anyone can!

Then share the secret. If I was left in the middle of Death Valley on a summer day and were offered the choice of a gallon of water or a pack cigarettes I'm not positive which I'd take.

I'll take half and half please

wilkykav2 wrote:

I'll take half and half please

Which kind?

Burly and bright,cuz I am up early and bright

I ought to buy me some Half N Half. At least smoking a pipe part time keeps me from chain smoking cigarettes.

Loved that movie in your av, EP!