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PostSubject: Anybody Else See The Irony Of Today's Protests   Anybody Else See The Irony Of Today's Protests Icon_minitimeWed Apr 15, 2009 10:24 am

Today we have the National "Tea Bag" Day in which the participants are protesting taxes being laid upon the United States Citizens and the policies of the Obama Adminstration.

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Taxes at still at the same rates that they have been for the last decade, so what are they protesting? The Bush tax cuts don't expire until 2010, so they won't change until then.

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This started as a Libertarian Party protest but know the Rpublican Party has joined in along with FIXED Noise to promote this National Day of Tax Protest. Newt Gingrich and every Republican Party member with polictical ambitions are jumping on the band wagon. The party of "NO" and "No Ideas" is using the Liberatian Arguement to foward their lack of any leadership or agenda!

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This one is the biggest Irony of all -- Do you think the organizers of this protest could have picked a better name for it? I mean naming your protest after the "act of laying one's scrotum upon a passed out victims face" is a more than just a little distasteful. Doesn't anyone involved have the common sense to see that Polistically Incorrect Fact!
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You're surprised?

1. They don't care, they are just pissed and ass sore that their party time is over and they are moving to the next thing they can try to pick at. They seem to be oblivious to the additional tax credits and expansion of bracket for those low earners eligible for them that have been created this season. (Too bad I still didn't qualify Sad )

2. After everything from fishing for pop status by selecting a tool as VP candidate to the "black one" Mr. Steele as one of their leaders to the "Indian one" among many less obvious things the party has done in the last year or so this should be business as usual for the GOP.

3. The GOP has always been pretty out of touch with modern nomenclature regarding slang. With statements aimed at their own like, "You da' man" toward the above mentioned Mr. Steele to their latest "tea bagging" talk (which admittedly has been used by more than just the GOP these days. If it keeps up someone is going to have to come up with a scrotum scented cologne for the forehead to sell these morons.

See what happens when abortion and gay marriage get swept aside and we actually start facing issues that affect EVERYONE. It's a bit harder for them to come up with anything other than "let's yell NO and propose the exact opposite to whateveer is currently happen.

Welcome to civil disobedience, GOP. There is no learning curve and you are WAY behind.
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Here's a brief history of the Tea Bagger movement by one of my favorite on-line newsletters:

How FreedomWorks Gave The Teabaggers A Dirty Sanchez

By Mark Ames, Yasha Levine, Alexander Zaitchik

This afternoon, groups of angry conservatives will gather on street corners and in parks across the country to protest.

They will carry signs and deliver speeches expressing outrage over the Democrats’ stimulus bill, over entitlements, over budget pork, over taxes. They will dump boxes of tea on the ground and wear three-cornered hats. The leading lights of the Republican Party will be on hand to cheer them on.

But as with so much on the right, these apparent displays of populist rage are not what they will seem.

Six weeks ago, two of us (Mark Ames and Yasha Levine) published an investigation exposing the nascent “Tea Party” protest movement for what it really is: a carefully planned AstroTurf (or “fake grassroots”) lobby campaign hatched and orchestrated by the conservative advocacy organization FreedomWorks. Within days, pieces of the scam had crumbled, exposing a small group of right-wing think tanks and shady nonprofits at its core.

The Tea Party movement was born on Feb. 19 with a now-famous rant by second-string CNBC correspondent Rick Santelli, who called for a “Chicago Tea Party” in protest of President Barack Obama’s plans to help distressed American homeowners. Santelli’s call blazed through the blogosphere, greased along by a number of FreedomWorks-funded blogs, propelling him to the status of a 21st century Samuel Adams — a leader and symbol of disenfranchised Americans suffering under big-government oppression and mismanagement of the economy.

That same day, a nationwide “Tea Party” protest movement mysteriously materialized on the Internet. A whole ring of Web sites came online within hours of Santelli’s rant, like sleeper-cell blogs waiting for the trigger to act, all claiming to have been inspired by Santelli’s allegedly impromptu outburst.

At first glance, the sites appeared to be unconnected and unplanned. But many were suspiciously well designed and strangely on point with their “nonpartisan” and “grassroots” statements. It was as if all of them were reading from the same script. The Web sites heavily linked to each other, spreading their mission with help of Facebook and Twitter feeds. FreedomWorks, as if picking up on rumblings coming from the depths of the conservative netroots, linked to them, too.

But as our investigation showed, the key players in the Tea Party Web ring were no amateurs, but rather experienced Republican operatives with deep connections to FreedomWorks and other fake grassroots campaigns pushing pro-big-business interests.

FreedomWorks has a long history of using such campaigns. Founded in 2004 by Dick Armey, the former Republican House Majority Leader and lobbyist from Texas, and publishing titan Steve Forbes, FreedomWorks represented the consolidation and rebranding of two older think tanks, Citizens for a Sound Economy, founded by the notorious Koch family, and Empower America, a powerful lobbying firm that has battled health care reform and minimum-wage bills while championing deregulation, corporate tax cuts and whatever else their corporate clients desire.

The idea was to bring these two dinosaurs into the Internet age so they could compete with the newly created MoveOn.org.

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FreedomWorks got caught AstroTurfing their sponsors’ agendas almost as soon as the group was formed. In 2005, when President George W. Bush was trying to get the public to go along with his plans for handing Social Security over to Wall Street bankers, the New York Times revealed that a “regular single mom” paraded by Bush’s White House in its PR campaign was in fact FreedomWorks’ Iowa state director.

Last year, the the Wall Street Journal exposed FreedomWorks’ role in sponsoring AngryRenter.com, a site designed to imitate an amateur blog with a plutocrat’s agenda: to shoot down a $300 billion bill meant to help distressed American homeowners. Freedomworks and its clients understood that if the superwealthy Republicans who opposed the bill were fronting the campaign, it wouldn’t fly with regular Americans buckling under the housing crisis, so they set up Angryrenter.com to give the impression that millions of ordinary Americans were the ones opposing it. The bill passed, but AngryRenter.com served as a warm-up exercise for the Tea Party movement.

Freedomworks and its clients understood that if the super-wealthy Republicans who opposed the bill were fronting the campaign, it wouldn’t fly with regular Americans buckling under the housing crisis, so they set up Angryrenter.com to give the impression that millions of ordinary Americans were the ones opposing it. The bill passed, but AngryRenter.com served as a warm-up exercise for the Tea Party movement.

The Tea Party improved on the AngryRenter.com model by diversifying its AstroTurf assets. Rather than put all its efforts into one vulnerable strategic entity, FreedomWorks distributed its campaign across a network of smaller, seemingly independent blogs and sites. If one was outed as a fake, the rest of the machine could deny affiliation and survive.

But what reeked of AstroTurfing on the Internet also reeked on the street, when protests hit over 30 cities across the country on Feb. 27.

In Santa Monica, Calif., the crowd was no bigger than the kind that mills around taco trucks at lunch hour. Other locations reported the same pathetic tally. In Cobb County, Ga., which should have been teeming with outraged freedom-loving, small-government activists, turnout was only marginally better.

It was clear that this grassroots movement was meant as a TV-only event. In the following days, as our article generated controversy about who really backed the Tea Party, FreedomWorks came clean and admitted to staging the whole thing. Santelli, the movement’s own larger-than-life hero, published a lawyer-crafted statement on CNBC’s site renouncing his role in the rebellion and throwing himself at the feet of Obama.

It was a crushing and humiliating blow to see the movement’s leader buckle so quickly, as if Adams had rushed to King George’s palace, three-pointed-hat in hand, and threw himself at the monarch’s mercy. To add to the humiliation, Santelli’s appearance on the Daily Show was canceled, and his employer, CNBC, soon became the laughingstock of the American network TV world.

The Tea Party movement seemed like it was dead in the water. But what seemed to be another failed FreedomWorks project came back one month later with a vengeance.

FreedomWorks is now running the show completely out in the open, coordinating a vast and confusing army of Web sites, selling Tea Party merchandise (with proceeds going straight into FreedomWorks’ coffers) and tapping Republican celebrities for speaker slots. Fox News will provide around-the-clock, coast-to-coast coverage of today’s Tea Party event. (The network’s newest star, Glenn Beck, will hold a $500-a-plate fundraiser for the cause before zooming over to a tea party scheduled to take place at the Alamo in San Antonio.) Last week, Newt Gingrich, former Georgia congressman and Speaker of the House, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced they’ll keynote tea parties of their own in Texas and New York.

The Tea Parties have gone large — and they’ve gone populist. Today’s Tea Parties are sure to dwarf the duds of February. Somehow, a movement that was exposed as a fraud has persevered and morphed into something that is channeling and redirecting legitimate concerns about Obama’s handling of the financial crisis.

To understand what the Tea Parties are really about, timeline is everything. The Tea Parties were never about the little guy’s fight against big government or Wall Street. FreedomWorks did not uncork Santelli while the government was bailing out the banks. The FreedomWorks machine was idle while Citibank and GE pocketed their billions. (The latter, incidentally, a big donor to FreedomWorks).

Freedomworks kicked off its anti-tax, anti-spending movement only when the government announced it would give money to regular Americans to help avoid a wave of housing foreclosures.

How did the right-wing get people behind its absurd and unpopular economic platform of tax cuts, deregulation, status-quo health care, slashed entitlements and leaving homeowners to the wolves?

Enter the AIG-bonus scandal and a steady trickle of news about the mismanagement of the bailout billions and the corrupt backroom cronyism that has guided the whole process, from the Henry Paulson era straight into the Larry Summers/Tim Geithner era. These developments, all under liberal Democratic governance, enraged a lot of people and muddied the waters of outrage — and policy.

The AIG-bonus scandal put a handle on the irresponsible government policies that the Tea Party movement was supposedly rallying against. What could be more irresponsible than allowing financial executives that got America into this mess to walk away with multi-million dollar bonuses lifted from taxpayer money? The same people who cost millions of Americans their jobs and homes were taking what was left of the kitty to ensure that they could maintain their mansions-and-yachts lifestyles.

Somehow, the Right twists this issue by getting people to focus their rage on the government and not the banker. The problem is the Left has been subdued, to put it mildly, in channeling rage at the bankers, in part because Obama’s economic team is the bankers and so far serves the bankers in programs that are corrupt, opaque and infuriating.

The Left should have been there to claim this genuine outrage from the very beginning. But it was late to the game. Until a new initiative called A New Way Forward began picking up steam a few weeks ago, a lot of people outraged by Obama’s economic policies had only one place to go: their local FreedomWorks Tea Party.

Luckily, and not a moment too soon, this is no longer the case.

It is hard to imagine more different origins from the FreedomWorks creation than those of A New Way Forward. The seed for the initiative was planted on the ratty couch in a 19th century farmhouse on a western Massachusetts apple orchard. It was there that 29-year-old Tiffiniy Cheng sat one night watching Bill Moyers Journal with her 86-year-old landlord. Moyers’ guest that night was MIT professor and former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson.

A fierce critic of Obama’s handling of the crisis, Johnson explained on the show that there were plenty of roads not being taken, all of which led to nationalization and strict new antitrust laws.

As they listened, Cheng and her landlord grew increasingly despondent. When the show ended, the old woman turned to the younger woman and said, “You kids need to go out and do something. The world is changing so much, you need to take control of things.” Cheng decided to take up the challenge.

“I knew a lot of people like me were upset that the banks are driving the process,” she says. “So I decided to coordinate among all of the frustrated people out there, who are angry about the bailouts and want to break up the massive institutions who brought us here.”

Unlike a lot of people who might have shared the same thought, Cheng actually had the organizing experience and tech chops to do put it together. A self-described nonprofit “technologist” and activist with a decade of experience — she was part of the group that launched OpenCongress.org and has developed software designed to facilitate Internet organizing — Cheng sketched out a plan and called some colleagues.

Soon they had a manifesto based on three principles: nationalize, reorganize and decentralize. A Web site followed, and word quickly spread with the help of some well-connected and supportive advisers, among them Zephyr Teachout and Joe Trippi, both architects of Howard Dean’s pioneering 2004 presidential campaign.

Aided by social-networking sites and Cheng’s own organizing software, more than 10,000 soon signed NWF’s petition to break up the banks. The petition now holds more than 40,000 signatures and counting.

Last Saturday, NWF held the first day of rallies — the left’s answer to the Tea Parties. Hundreds gathered in 60 cities around the country (including on the East Coast, despite heavy rains). The organization is also picking up its share of media attention, including a mention last month on Moyers’ Journal, which brought the nascent group full circle.

“Having been around politics and political organizing for many years, this feels different,” says William Greider, a New Way Forward senior adviser. “The ‘Tea Party’ gambit is the opposite example — planned and promoted top-down with the old hands of the right and lots of money. One of our democratic difficulties in this mass-market age is figuring out what’s real and what’s cleverly constructed propaganda.”

It’s hard to get more real than the first line of the NWF manifesto: “Big bankers ruined our economy, and now they are gaming the political system so they can profit even more off the crisis they caused. They must be stopped.”

Stopping the big bankers from plundering America. That’s what protest against the administration’s economic policy must be about.

And whatever the Tea Party organizers scream today while standing on tea boxes, their sponsors at FreedomWorks have no intention of ending the plunder.

Instead, FreedomWorks and its clients want to ensure more of the national wealth is at their disposal — which for them means more deregulation, lower taxes for the rich, fewer government programs for distressed homeowners and no pricey national health insurance.

The suckers in the Tea Party movement have no idea that while their anger is genuine, they’re doing the king’s bidding, not their own.

This article was originally published on Alternet.

Mark Ames and Yasha Levine are editors of eXiledonline.com. Alexander Zaitchik is a freelance journalist.
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Sum it up. I ain't gonna read it.
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Coffee is better than tea What a Face I think we could have come up with somthing better,like I don't know-Listen here you sons a bitches,........well what do you got-I got nothin.Let's have a contest on naming this revolution......I'm bored Anybody Else See The Irony Of Today's Protests 629896
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Sum it up. I ain't gonna read it.

No. I don't care.
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-Biggie,you don't care??Just curious if you mean you don't care,like all around??
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-Biggie,you don't care??Just curious if you mean you don't care,like all around??

I think he cares.

Just about different stuff.
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He doesn' care about me cause I'm witty and light hearted.

We are opposites. I like to make people laugh, and he likes to make them pull their hair out.
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Some of you guys on this board really have a blind and hateful "all for one" mentality, don't you?

Chain hating on a guy because he responded to an order by saying he wasn't going to sum up his initial post and he didn't care if the person giving the order took the time to read it or not is enough for you guys to mount and attack?

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Today we have the National "Tea Bag" Day in which the participants are protesting taxes being laid upon the United States Citizens and the policies of the Obama Adminstration.

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Taxes at still at the same rates that they have been for the last decade, so what are they protesting? The Bush tax cuts don't expire until 2010, so they won't change until then.

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This started as a Libertarian Party protest but know the Rpublican Party has joined in along with FIXED Noise to promote this National Day of Tax Protest. Newt Gingrich and every Republican Party member with polictical ambitions are jumping on the band wagon. The party of "NO" and "No Ideas" is using the Liberatian Arguement to foward their lack of any leadership or agenda!

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This one is the biggest Irony of all -- Do you think the organizers of this protest could have picked a better name for it? I mean naming your protest after the "act of laying one's scrotum upon a passed out victims face" is a more than just a little distasteful. Doesn't anyone involved have the common sense to see that Polistically Incorrect Fact!


I wasn't going to respond to this at first but have changed my mind.

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Taxes at still at the same rates that they have been for the last decade, so what are they protesting? The Bush tax cuts don't expire until 2010, so they won't change until then.


The tax rates we are currently at are nothing compared to where they are headed because of the skyrocketing budget. I don't care who is in office or who you want to blame as the cause of it, the fact remains that to pay for all this, taxes will have to go up even higher. Federal, state, county, city and school taxes are all going to be increased. Count on it. The county has already made their start at it by increasing property valuations.

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This started as a Libertarian Party protest but know the Rpublican Party has joined in along with FIXED Noise to promote this National Day of Tax Protest. Newt Gingrich and every Republican Party member with polictical ambitions are jumping on the band wagon. The party of "NO" and "No Ideas" is using the Liberatian Arguement to foward their lack of any leadership or agenda!

I don't care how it started, I think it is a great idea and I fully support it. It's about time people quit being complacent and got involved in what is happening to our country. It's not about any one particular party in my opinion, it is about the common man and his right to speak out and he heard. I think FOX News brings stories to the forefront that other networks won't touch because it doesn't fit their agenda of propoganda (keith olberman-rachael madcow and the rest of the far left group at msnbc, all they are is a liberal propganda mouthpiece).


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This one is the biggest Irony of all -- Do you think the organizers of this protest could have picked a better name for it? I mean naming your protest after the "act of laying one's scrotum upon a passed out victims face" is a more than just a little distasteful. Doesn't anyone involved have the common sense to see that Polistically Incorrect Fact!


The original idea was to have a protest against the current state of affairs and the tea party theme was used as a call to action, with the tea bag being the symbol of the protest. If you choose to put a pornographic context to, then I guess that is your choice. Actually there are times I think we should be teabagging (in your terms) our elected officials for being such self-serving dumbasses.
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I don't care how it started, I think it is a great idea and I fully support it. It's about time people quit being complacent and got involved in what is happening to our country. It's not about any one particular party in my opinion, it is about the common man and his right to speak out and he heard. I think FOX News brings stories to the forefront that other networks won't touch because it doesn't fit their agenda of propoganda (keith olberman-rachael madcow and the rest of the far left group at msnbc, all they are is a liberal propganda mouthpiece).

Is that why centrist comedians who are known to attack both politcal parties almost solely focus their attacks of mainstream cable media on Fox news?

I do watch Fox, I also watch CNN, MSNBC, the regular networks (which I typically DVR on the weeknights and weekends) among countless internet sources. I even listen to NPR and the local conservative talk radio station. (Being an insomniac truly does suck). I consider myself a centrist as I have many shared views with both parties and major issues with both as well. The point is this, Fox news is undoubtedly the most biased of any media outlet you can get on television. If you have conflicting view I simply ask that you broaden your horizons and watch for a few weeks with an objective eye and see what you can come up with.

Everyone isn't "out to get Fox" and if they share your personal slant, more power to you. I ask you, why do they come under so much ridicule if they are "fair and balanced"? Who owns Fox? What stories do they neglect to report? Do you think Glenn Beck is as big a douchebag as the rest of the world does?
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I wasn't going to respond to this at first but have changed my mind.

The tax rates we are currently at are nothing compared to where they are headed because of the skyrocketing budget. I don't care who is in office or who you want to blame as the cause of it, the fact remains that to pay for all this, taxes will have to go up even higher. Federal, state, county, city and school taxes are all going to be increased. Count on it. The county has already made their start at it by increasing property valuations.
Do you actually think tax rates wouldn't being going up of the other alternative for President would have gotten elected? If you actually think they wouldn't of then you are sadly mistaken. Taxes are going to have to go up period to pay for the fiscal malfisence of the last 8 years. Despite what the current Republican "lack of leadership" continually spews, the answer is not giving the richest people and big corproartions even more tax cuts. Any retard can see through that "blowing smoke up your ass" outright lie, damn it sure worked good the last 8 years didn't it?

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I don't care how it started, I think it is a great idea and I fully support it. It's about time people quit being complacent and got involved in what is happening to our country. It's not about any one particular party in my opinion, it is about the common man and his right to speak out and he heard. I think FOX News brings stories to the forefront that other networks won't touch because it doesn't fit their agenda of propoganda (keith olberman-rachael madcow and the rest of the far left group at msnbc, all they are is a liberal propganda mouthpiece).

Like FAUX NOIZE isn't biased, they don't know how to report "fair and balanced' only unfair and enormously skewed to the Republican Talking Points Daily. Lets all take the Dittohead Prophecy and run with it, all fear mongering and a lot of blatent lies spoon fed to the Masses and passed off as the absolute truth. Even the Republican base is starting to question the daily drivel and having trouble believing all of the bullshit.

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The original idea was to have a protest against the current state of affairs and the tea party theme was used as a call to action, with the tea bag being the symbol of the protest. If you choose to put a pornographic context to, then I guess that is your choice. Actually there are times I think we should be teabagging (in your terms) our elected officials for being such self-serving dumbasses.

This is where the ultra-religious wing of the Republican Party really missed the boat. I'm sure the boys in the Bible Belt are happy ... NOT! Your point of "tea bagging" the politicians a that seemingly have their heads up their asses is really assinine, maybe the retarded voters that elected them to office should have that priveledge ... they are the idiots that put the self-serving dumasses as you put it into the position to rape and pillage the very voters they are supposed to represent. Not line their own pockets with millions of lobbyist and special interest group dollars.

Yep you should be really proud of the way that the american public has been screwed over by the crooks in Washington and in State Capitols in all 50 states!
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I do watch other news sources such as CNN CBS ABC and I do watch the BBC on occaision. As far as Fox being the most biased, I don't think they are any more biased than MSNBC, they are just biased a different direction. As for what the comedians focus on, I really don't think should be used as a measure of what news to watch or not to watch. I do tend to agree with more of the views of Glenn Beck than I am sure you do, but that is not because I am some mindless zombie just eating up everything that comes out of his mouth as gospel. I have my views on things and some of them do happen to be similar to what he talks about. If you want to talk douchebags, look at Keith Olberman. That guy needs to get out of the city and see what the rest of this country is like.

yesterdays tea parties were not just a bunch of conservatives our whining , it was a broad cross-section of the people in this nation finally standing up and saying "Enough big government". I want government to get out of my life, out of my pocket and let me live my life. I don't need or want the "help" or government seems to want to push on us. What I do want them to do is stop the illegals from running across the border and also to stop the flow of drugs from south of the border. Thats where our miltary should be to protect our nation.
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you know what slider, I really lose any respect for you and your opinion when you have to whine and call names to ridicule the opposition. As for the American people being screwed, you are right there, both parties have been doing to us for years now just for their own benefit and the benefit of some special interests. I think it is way past time to flush the whole gruop in Washington and start fresh again WITHOUT ANY political parties.

And don't you dare try to put me in with the ultra-religious folks either. Religion has done more to try to control peoples live , manipulate their thoughts and steal their money. I am the last person anyone should be calling religious.
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Some of you guys on this board really have a blind and hateful "all for one" mentality, don't you?

Chain hating on a guy because he responded to an order by saying he wasn't going to sum up his initial post and he didn't care if the person giving the order took the time to read it or not is enough for you guys to mount and attack?

medicate much?


Chain hating? A couple of jabs don't constitute hate or a chain.

It wasn't an order and I suspect he knew it.

Still hung over?

No need to lump us all together. Once you get use to our multiple personalities you won't see us as hateful.
Just cause my jabs can be pointed deosn't make them hateful.
Kinda reminds me of a coworker who said he got his azz ripped when I had explained an easier way to perform a task.
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It seems as though liberals can protest all they want and it is a freedom for them.
Let a conservative protest, and it is whining.

Conservatives rarely protest. When they do you can bet they are beyond upset.
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It seems as though liberals can protest all they want and it is a freedom for them.
Let a conservative protest, and it is whining.

Conservatives rarely protest. When they do you can bet they are beyond upset.

you nailed it on the head there for sure justoo. it doesn't even have to be a conservative, it is anyone that opposes their liberal view
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you know what slider, I really lose any respect for you and your opinion when you have to whine and call names to ridicule the opposition. As for the American people being screwed, you are right there, both parties have been doing to us for years now just for their own benefit and the benefit of some special interests. I think it is way past time to flush the whole gruop in Washington and start fresh again WITHOUT ANY political parties.

And don't you dare try to put me in with the ultra-religious folks either. Religion has done more to try to control peoples live , manipulate their thoughts and steal their money. I am the last person anyone should be calling religious.

First off, I'm an equal opportunity bitcher when it comes to politics. There aren't many of the heads up their asses jerks in Washington that are worth their weight in manure. The Republicans are the easiest to ridicule because they are all acting like a bunch of third graders who didn't get their way on the playground. And their apparent lack of leadership after getting their butts kicked in November is just too funny to watch. Seems old Rush 'Oxycontin" Limbaugh is the one that most of the faithful are listening to and clinging to hope as their leader. That is like watching an animal eat its own, they are self destructing before our eyes and before long the will be history at the rate they are going.

The Democrats are just as guilty of using their majority to try and flat out bully their agenda through Congress. They are apparently punch drunk with power and must feel ten foot tall and bulletproof, it'll be fun to watch them get their comupance as well.

If the Republicans want to hold on to the seats they have remaining, they had better start coming to the table with some ideas that aren't just reworded versions of the Policies that have gotten us into the mess we are into today. If they don't they will have even less voices in the game that is being played at the taxpayers expense.

The Democrats should watch their asses as well, it doesn't take much to piss off the taxpayers of these United States and have their asses handed to them in a couple of years.

I'll agree with you on the getting rid of the flushing of the turds in Washington!! What needs to be done is to get rid of all of the "Dead Wood" in Washington and start over with more than just the antiquated two party system that has failed us so well. If a President can only serve two terms, then why not a Congressman? Two terms in the House and Two in the Senate maximum (if re-elected to two terms) would gaurantee that new blood and an at least some attempt at new ideas would be continually flowing into the Congress.

We need to get rid of all of the "Influence Peddlers" up ther in Washington and in our State Capitals as well. The main problem with all the bullshit artists up there now is they have made a career out of taking massive amounts of dollars from all of those lobbyists and PAC's.

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Chain hating? A couple of jabs don't constitute hate or a chain.

It wasn't an order and I suspect he knew it.

Still hung over?

No need to lump us all together. Once you get use to our multiple personalities you won't see us as hateful.
Just cause my jabs can be pointed deosn't make them hateful.
Kinda reminds me of a coworker who said he got his azz ripped when I had explained an easier way to perform a task.

The same "lumping together" was on is currently on another post in which Owl seems to need to thank anyone who makes a shared point. I'm sure you do all have you disagreements and varied personalities but in some of these posts it feels like I'm watching the band play on the sinking Titanic, as noble as it may appear, I would be running for a lifeboat if I were a conservative right now.

Folks can lay blame whichever way they like as to how we get out of this but a clear lack of oversight got us here. Conservative capitalism tax shelters and turning a blind eye to shady dealings during mass deregulation got us here.

I'm just as pissed as the most Neo-con mofo out there. The major difference is that I have no delusions of how we got here and I'm not going to kid myself about the shit sandwich we are going to have to take a big 'ol bite of to get out.

Not being on either side it is fairly obvious what is going down. The right is pissed and whining and taking any little pot-shot they can against an administration who is attempting something foreign to their beliefs. It wouldn't be as bad if their beliefs had not been recently proven not to work.
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Luke, it's pointless to argue with them. It's like riding a Harley or going to a Dead show. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand. They obviously don't get it and never will.
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Do you think Glenn Beck is as big a douchebag as the rest of the world does?


It's those who feel threatened who lash out and attack..........So sorry you feel that way about Glenn Rolling Eyes

Other One is right, it's pointless to argue with them......NoObama is becoming his own enemy. It's just a matter of time.


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Slider it's good we can find some common ground about term limits and getting rid of the lobbyists. Like Comicus said in History of the World , "we have the best politicians money can buy" . I would rather have the best person for the job at hand. I want someone honest that will do the job right and make the decisions that will make this a strong and safe country again. Does such a group of people exist ?
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3B, seems I misunderstood who we were ganging up on. And still a bit confused.

As far as politicians go, there are no good politicians in either party.
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-Biggie,you don't care??Just curious if you mean you don't care,like all around??

Heh. No.

But it's kinda funny that you'd think that.

Chalk up this little misunderstanding to poor formatting on my part. That post of mine should've looked more like this:

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Sum it up.
No.
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I ain't gonna read it.

I don't care.



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-Biggie,you don't care??Just curious if you mean you don't care,like all around??

I think he cares.

Just about different stuff.

Thanks, Nitro.

I really AM appreciated around here...



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He doesn' care about me

Says who? I think you're a pretty good guy, Justoo- even if you ARE wrong most of the time. Same goes for EP.

But I'm having second thoughts now that you've called yourself 'witty'.





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Some of you guys on this board really have a blind and hateful "all for one" mentality, don't you?

Chain hating on a guy because he responded to an order by saying he wasn't going to sum up his initial post and he didn't care if the person giving the order took the time to read it or not is enough for you guys to mount and attack?

medicate much?

I appreciate you stickin' up for me and all. But I clearly enjoy this sort of thing- do you think I post around here for the stimulating conversation? Laughing
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But I'm having second thoughts now that you've called yourself 'witty'.

Perhaps I misquoted you.
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Luke, it's pointless to argue with them. It's like riding a Harley or going to a Dead show. If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand. They obviously don't get it and never will.

Funny how I 'got it' years ago. I was a gun-totin', flag-wavin', Rush listenin' Republican just like you. Hated the Clintons. Voted for Bush (2000). Card-carrying member of the NRA. But that all changed- starting about 5 or 6 years ago.

So there's hope for you yet.
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As far as politicians go, there are no good politicians in either party.

Gee, I've only been saying that for uhhhh 30 YEARS!!!!!

The way I see it is I've been trying to push everyone towards the Libertarian ideals of reduced government, freedom, and Constitutionalist policies for a long time, but every election is the same. Conservatives say "We have to vote republican or those bed wetting democrats will win. Liberals say "We gotta get those right wing nuts out of office, so we gotta vote democrat or lose".

As I see it you all are reaping exactly what you sowed. Suck it up and take it cause you're all responsible. I have voted Libertarian in every presidential election, and I'm damn proud to be able to say I never helped put any of those democrat or republican pricks in office. I threw my votes away you say? I think I may be the only one here that hasn't.
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I have voted major party only once in my life. I have voted for a variety of party tickets knowing full well they had no chance.
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At least I'm not alone. I've been asked lots of times why I keep voting for a guy who can't win. I just remind them it's not my fault he can't win. The republicans had the potential for the greatest president in ages with Ron Paul, but they just had to keep the right wing BS agendas alive. So now the only republican who could have gotten the third party voters and swing vote democrats is only able to remind us that he tried to warn us, and we are stuck with a socialist boob as president.

Right now the republicans piss me off most, because Ron Paul could have beaten Obama.
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I love being a Centrist. I can claim all the victories and evade the losses!

Actually it sucks. I share both liberal and conservative views on many different topics. The way I jokingly decribe it is that I have a capitalist mind and a socialist heart.

In all seriousness though, it is the rare gift to not be labelled or slanted to one side or the other. I do my best to objectively approach every situation and not let things like feelings, morals or accepted doctrines stand in my way.

I don't feel any affection toward any "journalist" and I hope that I never do.

To claim that I don't "get it" or allude to me not being able to have a shared opinion with yourself(ves) is quite closed minded and exactly what I believe is wrong with this country. If we are so free to make our own decisions regarding religion, political affiliation and moral doctrine, why do so many people work against objective logic and fall into their predestined pockets just because the world around them said they should.

It's falls more to psychology than actual beliefs. Some of us have objective psychology whereas we aren't restricted by the same need to conform or belong that many others have. It does not render us immoral, uncaring individuals nor does it make us unable to "get it". It actually makes us more able to "get" several sides and objectively decide what the best course of action would be through logical deduction dependant on the situation.

So, there is your, "I am Spock" moment.
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And then there's those who argue just to escape the voices in our own minds. cyclops
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The voices in my mind say "That bottle of IPA looks good, drink it". They also say "So what if she's half your age, look at that fine butt she's got". I don't see a need to escape those voices. Smile
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Bullshit. You guys are just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you.
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Bullshit. You guys are just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you.

That's what they said you would say..
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