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PostSubject: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 1:22 am

To put your hand on your heart?

Yep, he sure loves his country.

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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 9:30 am

Didn't Obama used to be a weatherman ?And then he decided to change professions and became a muslim terrorist or a Black Panther or somthing??I'm not sure he'd make a good president lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
J/K!!Laugh dammit!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 9:45 am

lol.

It would be funny except this country is about to elect a left wing, radical, anit-american racist for President.

Hope you are all brushing up on your Constitutional rights, because with this asshole as President and a Democrat controled Congress and House of Representatives, your about to lose them all.
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Notice where his hand is?
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 11:32 am

RomadBuff wrote:
lol.

It would be funny except this country is about to elect a left wing, radical, anit-american racist for President.

Hope you are all brushing up on your Constitutional rights, because with this asshole as President and a Democrat controled Congress and House of Representatives, your about to lose them all.

Wow, you must have forgotten just how much Bush/Cheney and their roving band of NeoCon War Monger's in this Adminstration have shredded your Constitutional Rights with their lovely Patriot Act.
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Oh i'm sure it would just be a matter of time, if he is elected, when KKK comes out and kills the bastard... or some other crazy person that has nothing to live for and would not want to see a negro rule the country.

Hell hasn't there been 3 attempts already to kill him?
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lol.

It would be funny except this country is about to elect a left wing, radical, anit-american racist for President.

Hope you are all brushing up on your Constitutional rights, because with this asshole as President and a Democrat controled Congress and House of Representatives, your about to lose them all.

Wow, you must have forgotten just how much Bush/Cheney and their roving band of NeoCon War Monger's in this Adminstration have shredded your Constitutional Rights with their lovely Patriot Act.

ohhhh, the big bad patriot act, everyone run, everyone hide, the big bad patriot act is coming to get you......

wait

um

it's been around how long?

yea, has not effected my life one single bit.

of course I have nothing to hide in my emails or my phone calls, but, that's just plain ole law abbiding me.

War Monger's huh?

Guessing you were a Clintion groupie, check out my link on Death's in the Military, but, wait, I forgot, that's okay that more members of the military died under Billy Jeff as long as he didn't come out of it looking bad, besides, they are expendable right?
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 10:01 pm

I don't put my hand over my liver either. Sorry, but I won't WORSHIP a flag. Obama's lack of flag worship, his history of drug use, and his mamma's reputation as an atheist are all reasons why I'll vote for him.

I tried out a car today- had one of those cheesy flags with a magnetic base that sticks on top of the car. After handing me the keys, the salesman quickly slapped a dealer tag on the car, grabbed that sticky-flag and threw it in the floorboard. That gave me a little chuckle.

I don't own a flag, but I'm seriously considering buying one.
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The ONLY viable reason to vote for Obama is to keep Hillary out the White House until 2016...
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 10:22 pm

RomadBuff wrote:
slider wrote:
RomadBuff wrote:
lol.

It would be funny except this country is about to elect a left wing, radical, anit-american racist for President.

Hope you are all brushing up on your Constitutional rights, because with this asshole as President and a Democrat controled Congress and House of Representatives, your about to lose them all.

Wow, you must have forgotten just how much Bush/Cheney and their roving band of NeoCon War Monger's in this Adminstration have shredded your Constitutional Rights with their lovely Patriot Act.

ohhhh, the big bad patriot act, everyone run, everyone hide, the big bad patriot act is coming to get you......

wait

um

it's been around how long?

yea, has not effected my life one single bit.

of course I have nothing to hide in my emails or my phone calls, but, that's just plain ole law abbiding me.

War Monger's huh?

Guessing you were a Clintion groupie, check out my link on Death's in the Military, but, wait, I forgot, that's okay that more members of the military died under Billy Jeff as long as he didn't come out of it looking bad, besides, they are expendable right?

Check out the snopes link about military losses. Not that you actually care- beyond making a political point.

I voted for Bush in 2000. My only excuse was that I was young and naive... I actually believed that the Republicans had principles. But one of many lessons that Bush taught me was that Republicans have principles ONLY when criticizing their political enemies (I already knew that this was true of Democrats). If Clinton had tried to pass unconstitutional legislation akin to the Patriot Act, the Republicans would've been screaming bloody murder. But since THEIR guy wanted it passed... they all towed the party line.

The Patriot Act has been used repeatedly to suppress freedom of speech. It did away with what little was left of our 4th amendment rights (depending on where you are/who you piss off). It bypasses Habeas Corpus... one of the most fundamental legal concepts in ALL Western societies. And that's just the stuff I can name off the top of my magnificent head.

And Republicans cried about the loss of their rights under Clinton. PUULEEAASE.
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeThu Oct 09, 2008 10:40 pm

Bighead wrote:
RomadBuff wrote:
slider wrote:
RomadBuff wrote:
lol.

It would be funny except this country is about to elect a left wing, radical, anit-american racist for President.

Hope you are all brushing up on your Constitutional rights, because with this asshole as President and a Democrat controled Congress and House of Representatives, your about to lose them all.

Wow, you must have forgotten just how much Bush/Cheney and their roving band of NeoCon War Monger's in this Adminstration have shredded your Constitutional Rights with their lovely Patriot Act.

ohhhh, the big bad patriot act, everyone run, everyone hide, the big bad patriot act is coming to get you......

wait

um

it's been around how long?

yea, has not effected my life one single bit.

of course I have nothing to hide in my emails or my phone calls, but, that's just plain ole law abbiding me.

War Monger's huh?

Guessing you were a Clintion groupie, check out my link on Death's in the Military, but, wait, I forgot, that's okay that more members of the military died under Billy Jeff as long as he didn't come out of it looking bad, besides, they are expendable right?

Check out the snopes link about military losses. Not that you actually care- beyond making a political point.

I voted for Bush in 2000. My only excuse was that I was young and naive... I actually believed that the Republicans had principles. But one of many lessons that Bush taught me was that Republicans have principles ONLY when criticizing their political enemies (I already knew that this was true of Democrats). If Clinton had tried to pass unconstitutional legislation akin to the Patriot Act, the Republicans would've been screaming bloody murder. But since THEIR guy wanted it passed... they all towed the party line.

The Patriot Act has been used repeatedly to suppress freedom of speech. It did away with what little was left of our 4th amendment rights (depending on where you are/who you piss off). It bypasses Habeas Corpus... one of the most fundamental legal concepts in ALL Western societies. And that's just the stuff I can name off the top of my magnificent head.

And Republicans cried about the loss of their rights under Clinton. PUULEEAASE.


The Patriot Act has effected you how?

When was the last terrorist attack on our country?
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Great point, Nitro. Perhaps if we give up ALL our rights, we'll be completely and totally safe. I mean... let's just put the government in charge of every aspect of our lives. No need for free speech, the right to NOT be held indefinitely without charge, protection against unreasonable search & seizure. That worked well in the Soviet Union... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

North Korea is West.

Or East.

Your totalitarian paradise awaits.
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You did not answer the question.

How does The Patriot Act effect You?
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You guys should watch this videogeorge clinton and funkadelic- paint the white house black

our white house is gonna be painted black afro lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeFri Oct 10, 2008 1:18 am

Bighead wrote:
Great point, Nitro. Perhaps if we give up ALL our rights, we'll be completely and totally safe. I mean... let's just put the government in charge of every aspect of our lives. No need for free speech, the right to NOT be held indefinitely without charge, protection against unreasonable search & seizure. That worked well in the Soviet Union... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

North Korea is West.

Or East.

Your totalitarian paradise awaits.

Is Obama a Marxist Mole?
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeFri Oct 10, 2008 1:42 am

nitromaxx98 wrote:
You did not answer the question.

How does The Patriot Act effect You?

The same question could be asked of the Sedition Act of 1918... and would beg the same trite answer.

Constitutional rights obviously don't mean much to you. (i.e., you've no problem if the rights of others are violated... so long as it doesn't affect you or folks you know). That's a pretty short-sighted view to take... but I'm sure it helped folks in the Soviet Union sleep at night while millions were imprisoned and/or killed.
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Is Obama a Marxist Mole?

Mole? Hell no. Didn't you watch the debate?

When he was asked about healthcare, Obama could've chosen to call it a right, a privilege, or a responsibility. McCain took the safe way out: responsibility. Obama could've done the same, but he looked Amerika in the eye and said it's a RIGHT.

See... not only is he a socialist- he OWNS it. In some twisted way, I admire that.

Seriously, though- I'm none too happy about Obama's socialist tendencies. Problem is that McCain is a war-hungry motherfucker. I can vote for "more war" or "more socialism"... that's what this election comes down to. I'll reluctantly vote for socialism... or maybe I'll enthusiastically vote AGAINST war- depending on what mood I'm in.
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Is Obama a Marxist Mole?

Mole? Hell no. Didn't you watch the debate?

When he was asked about healthcare, Obama could've chosen to call it a right, a privilege, or a responsibility. McCain took the safe way out: responsibility. Obama could've done the same, but he looked Amerika in the eye and said it's a RIGHT.

See... not only is he a socialist- he OWNS it. In some twisted way, I admire that.

Seriously, though- I'm none too happy about Obama's socialist tendencies. Problem is that McCain is a war-hungry motherfucker. I can vote for "more war" or "more socialism"... that's what this election comes down to. I'll reluctantly vote for socialism... or maybe I'll enthusiastically vote AGAINST war- depending on what mood I'm in.

I don't have a big problem with someone who recognizes what he is and still chooses to vote for him. It's your right to be wrong.

However, there are far too many dumbasses who don't even have a clue what a socialist is, let alone be able to recognize one, who are eating Obama's bullshit up because he's telling them that he'll take care of them and he's going to "even the playing field."

Another perverse way to think about it is to remember that a vote for Obama is a vote against divided government. The Republicans fucked up when they held the White House and both houses of Congress and they were thrown out, just as the Democrats had fucked up and been thrown out twelve years earlier. Divided government usually results in nothing getting done in Washington. When they do nothing, they can't hurt us. Do you really want Nancy, Harry and Barry running the country? At this point, maybe all we can hope for is that the Republicans maintain at least 41 seats in the Senate so they can block votes on the socialist agenda that's sure to come down the pike.
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PostSubject: Re: Not worth the effort?   Not worth the effort? Icon_minitimeFri Oct 10, 2008 2:48 am

On your last point, I see it a bit differently.

When Bush was in power- those loyal Repubs lined up and voted for whatever he wanted- no matter how idiotic, unconstitutional, or counter to their OWN principles. If Clinton had tried to pull HALF the shit that Dubya pulled... the Republicans would've long since impeached him (again!). But instead, they happily followed their fearless leader. When they gained power- they lost their pinciples.

See, I still agree with the Republicans on several points, including taxes, gun rights, cutting gov't spending, domestic oil, nuclear power, etc.

And I still have SOME faith in the Republican Party. When it comes to obstruction, those guys shine. They're at their best in the minority- it's engrained into their culture- strikes a chord with the Republicans' inherent persecution complex. When in the minority... Republicans suddenly find that they HAVE principles.

So I will be counting on the Republicans to fight Obama tooth & nail on EVERY piece of legislation he proposes. And I think they will. Whereas if McCain were elected- they'd just get in line and pass whatever he wants.

And I sincerely hope that after either 4 or 8 years in exile, the Republican Party will have learned some valuable lessons. But I ain't holding my breath.
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